osu1322 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm looking for any info I can find on 16 team leagues. I understand they aren't all that common and the talent pool is as shallow as a shower but I'm still playing in a league with 16 teams. The only place I've found to do Mock draft for this format is MFL. I personally hate their some the draft picks. They have both Gronkowsi and Graham being drafted in the first rd. I understand they are good but I'm not sold that a team will draft them in the first rd... Second for sure but I don't feel they are going to be the cornerstone of a team like a top RB or QB would. Also if anyone has anywhere that 16 team mock draft please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 BoTH "Better Luck Next Year" is a 16 team league. We are currently drafting, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm looking for any info I can find on 16 team leagues. I understand they aren't all that common and the talent pool is as shallow as a shower but I'm still playing in a league with 16 teams. The only place I've found to do Mock draft for this format is MFL. I personally hate their some the draft picks. They have both Gronkowsi and Graham being drafted in the first rd. I understand they are good but I'm not sold that a team will draft them in the first rd... Second for sure but I don't feel they are going to be the cornerstone of a team like a top RB or QB would. Also if anyone has anywhere that 16 team mock draft please let me know. I don't quite understand your complaint about mfl.com. Yeah, Gronkowski and Graham are going in the first round in these kinds of league - 1.12 and 1.14 respectively - but that's much more likely to owners being much better at FF than typical 10 team and 12 team league owners than it is because the owners don't know whaat they are doing. It's been my experience that large leagues like 14 teamers and 16 teamers have more owners that are fully enthusiastic and knowledgeable about FF. That's why they join the larger leagues - there are greater challenges and the talent pool gets spread thinner, meaning greater FB and FF knowledge gives one a greater edge. That said, the Gronkowski and Graham picks at 1.12 and 1.14 make perfect sense to me if a greater part of the owners understand value. I just did a quick worst starter value chart for a start 1/2/3/1 w/ 1 flex 16 team ppr league for a guy who pm'ed me a question about his 16 team draft yesterday, standard performance scoring except for 5 ppTD for QBs, and TE1 had a value ranking of 1.10 and TE2 had a value ranking of 1.13. I guess what I'm saying is that if you find the TE1 and TE2 rankings of 1.12 and 1.14 respectively inaccurate and unreliable, you may want to do some retrospective insight into your assumptions in this kind of league before your draft starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osu1322 Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 I understand their rankings but I just have a hard time making any TE my first pick. QBs, RBs and heck even top WRs will score plenty of TDs, and get yardage because their position. TE on the other hand will have games where they will only get 3 targets and maybe 1 catch. Granted Gronkowski and Graham are the exception to this. If I was in one of those drafting positions where I have the 12th to 14th pick I would have to know the RB or QB I want is going to there in the second rd to draft either of these players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) I understand their rankings but I just have a hard time making any TE my first pick. QBs, RBs and heck even top WRs will score plenty of TDs, and get yardage because their position. TE on the other hand will have games where they will only get 3 targets and maybe 1 catch. Granted Gronkowski and Graham are the exception to this. If I was in one of those drafting positions where I have the 12th to 14th pick I would have to know the RB or QB I want is going to there in the second rd to draft either of these players. So, your basis for deriding MFL's mocks is because two guys that you, personally, would not draft as high as they're going, even though you understand why they're being drafted that high, are going at 12 and 14? That makes no sense. Besides, virtually every mock or ADP, regardless of league size and website, is showing those two going somewhere in that neighborhood. From the low to high teens. So, this is hardly unique to MFL. And, like BB says, if you're looking at 16-team drafts, you are looking at what the most hardcore FF geeks are doing. So, you could certainly do worse. ETA: Also, if you feel that most TEs simply don't get the targets to put up reliable numbers but Gronk and Graham are the exception, that is all the more reason to draft them that high. FWIW, I don't plan on drafting them that high for the exact opposite reason. I am of the opinion that other teams are going to take a page from NE and NOs playbooks and try to exploit the same match-ups they were getting. In other words, I don't expect them to be the outliers they were this past season. None the less, I completely understand why someone would be willing to take one of those two with a mid-teens pick. Edited August 20, 2012 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 16 team IDP dynasty and I had no reservations about taking Graham at 1.9, you'll note that Gronk went the very next pick. http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=57979&O=17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I understand their rankings but I just have a hard time making any TE my first pick. QBs, RBs and heck even top WRs will score plenty of TDs, and get yardage because their position. TE on the other hand will have games where they will only get 3 targets and maybe 1 catch. Granted Gronkowski and Graham are the exception to this. If I was in one of those drafting positions where I have the 12th to 14th pick I would have to know the RB or QB I want is going to there in the second rd to draft either of these players. The purpose of mocks and ADP isn't to tell you who to draft, it's to tell you what to expect others to do. Expect TE's to go early. If you want to be told who to draft, the advice column is one more down on the forum list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 The purpose of mocks and ADP isn't to tell you who to draft, it's to tell you what to expect others to do. Expect TE's to go early. If you want to be told who to draft, the advice column is one more down on the forum list. Exactly. If you don't want one of those guys early, just be happy someone else does and take advantage of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) I understand their rankings but I just have a hard time making any TE my first pick. So what you are essentially saying is that if people don't draft in multiple drafts the same way that you do, that the drafts aren't credible, even though player value supports the drafts? Hence my comment that maybe you ought to reflect on yourself... Edited August 20, 2012 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 In a TE-required league (and even moreso with PPR), there is no reason why Graham and Gronk shouldn't be considered last-first/early-second round picks if not higher. If every team is required to have a TE, then there could be a big advantage to one of the two that have shown that they can put up not only elite TE numbers but elite WR numbers, while everyone else is choosing from TEs with far more question marks (other than Hernandez, can you name another TE that has both upside and is a safe pick to perform at a high level? I can't, with a pretty wide open and risk-filled TE field behind those 3). But like Det said, if you don't feel that this is likely to repeat this year, then feel free to pass on them and target one at a value you like. But as was said above, that doesn't make knowing where they're tending to go any less valuable or valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osu1322 Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 Honestly I'm too high up in the draft order of my 16 man draft to see either of these guys on my team... I was looking for a reason for them not to be drafted that high.... Or at least things to say to get my league mates to think twice about drafting them.... All I get from you guys is numbers and logic to prove your point lol.... Deflet is right about this trend at TE starting to become the norm. Guess I'll just have to look down the TE list for a later pick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Honestly I'm too high up in the draft order of my 16 man draft to see either of these guys on my team... I was looking for a reason for them not to be drafted that high.... Or at least things to say to get my league mates to think twice about drafting them.... All I get from you guys is numbers and logic to prove your point lol.... Deflet is right about this trend at TE starting to become the norm. Guess I'll just have to look down the TE list for a later pick.... Um, I hope I'm right. But that sort of remains to be seen. Regardless, whether I am or not has little to do with your initial point that the 16 team mocks are unreliable because Gronk and Graham are being taken where you see them going. Because those mocks are absolutely and completely in line with what is (and should be) happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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