panhead55 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Seems obvious to me that the way to beat Arizona is to take Fitz out of the game ... Seattle and NE both took Fitz out of the game. The result is an Arizona Cardinal team that is 2 and 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 It's only been two weeks, for crying out loud. However, I won't keep you from following the lemmings to the nearest bridge if you absolutely insist on going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I wouldn't say I am "very" worried but I am worried for sure. If the Cards want to continue to win, Fitz has to be a big part of the gameplan. Yes, the Kolb/Fitz connection isn't the same as Skelton/Fitz, based on numbers and the eye test, but as an elite talent at the WR position, hard to write him off completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I imagine his organization is a bit concerned given what they are paying him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Seattle and NE both took Fitz out of the game. The result is an Arizona Cardinal team that is 2 and 0 I think the Cards D had a little bit to do with that 2-0 record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroKid911 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Overreactions like this are what make patient fantasy owners drool over buying low. Too much talent and too long of a track record for him to drop off the face of the earth. Maybe he doesn't finish the year top 5, but top 15 most likely and if you wanna trade him for a sack of footballs or start a FA over him you'll probably wind up losing out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dope man Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 His QB situation couldn't be any worse, I would trade him now while you can get something for him.....a great wr is only great if he can get the ball!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I have him and took much lesser RBs in favor of trying to have stud WRs - have Fitz and AJ Green. I'm screwed 'cause I think Fitz is gonna way underperform. I don't think you could get even a guy like Alfred Morris for him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5volcano Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Overreactions like this are what make patient fantasy owners drool over buying low. Too much talent and too long of a track record for him to drop off the face of the earth. Maybe he doesn't finish the year top 5, but top 15 most likely and if you wanna trade him for a sack of footballs or start a FA over him you'll probably wind up losing out Well when i've started him above Stevie Johnson and Decker and Antonio Brown for 2 weeks now, my frustration grows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckDuckGoose Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I knew before the season started that looking at his current situation, he wasn't looking to be good. I see him as being pedestrian and not near WR1 like most people drafted him. You have two career back-UPS throwing him the ball with him being the only threat. Not ideal in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckDuckGoose Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I knew before the season started that looking at his current situation, he wasn't looking to be good. I see him as being pedestrian and not near WR1 like most people drafted him. You have two career back-UPS throwing him the ball with him being the only threat. Not ideal in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles28 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Well Johnson and Marshall had crap days, as did DMC on the RB side, oh and Rodgers had half as many points as Brandon Weeden. There were others. I wouldn't remove him as a starter yet. Toward the end of the year last year Megatron had single digits in standard scoring leagues 4 out of 5 weeks. Outside of that he was a beast. It happens with wide receivers, but the day you bench him is the day he goes crazy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Overreactions like this are what make patient fantasy owners drool over buying low. Too much talent and too long of a track record for him to drop off the face of the earth. Maybe he doesn't finish the year top 5, but top 15 most likely and if you wanna trade him for a sack of footballs or start a FA over him you'll probably wind up losing out Agree with what you're saying in principle, but the problem here is that Fitz was drafted to be a top 5; that would have been the price you had to pay at the draft. It's abundantly clear he's not going to meet that expectation. Downgrade your expectations; or find someone who's willing to pay a top 5 price in a trade. Hell, if someone's willing to give me a top 15 price, I might think hard about it. Edited September 17, 2012 by nelsosi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e5volcano Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Do you guys think he is a must start against the Eagles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Do you guys think he is a must start against the Eagles? If you think he will score more points than your other options ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Do you guys think he is a must start against the Eagles? For the team in your sig, I'd be putting him below a healthy Roddy, healthy Jennings, and Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'll trade ya Chris Johnson for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 At this point, sadly, he's no better than a WR2/WR3 who will occasionally put up a big game, but more often than not put up 4/60 numbers....which you could have gotten from the likes of Jasan Avant 12-15 rounds later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 At times, he was somewhat disappointing last season, as well. But, I think you still gotta start the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) No, of course not, and he and Kolb have such a great rapport of course [/sarcasm] Fitz was back to top 5 numbers with Skelton in there, but in just over half a season with Kolb last year, he only recorded 38 catches for 658 yards (okay, not too bad) and 2 TDs ( ). But I wouldn't expect it to be quite as bad as it has been thus far. The reason they drafted Floyd was to take coverage from Fitz (or else exploit it), so I assume they're still trying to establish other threats, especially when the running game isn't commanding much respect either. Here comes this "logic" rearing its ugly head again. I brought this up when people said Julio would open things up for White. It doesn't happen. If the complimentary WR is good enough to truly open things up for the WR1, then he's good enough to take targets and production away from him. I can assure you that, if someone was thinking about DTing Fitz, they're not having second thoughts about it until Floyd or Roberts, or someone starts to burn them and often. Which, again means yardage and TDs aren't going to Fitz. Even then, it's just going to open up the running game or something else because, if they feel like the WR2 deserves more attention, I'm rather certain that the last place on the field that attention is being pulled from is Fitz. They may trade out a LB for a DB which could open up the running game. But they're certainly not going to start doubling Roberts or Floyd with a guy that was previously being used to double Fitz. Further, it doesn't matter how bad your secondary receiving threats are, they're going to get someone lined-up against them. Nobody is going to be left entirely alone on purpose. So, whatever stiff was there before Floyd came along was likely getting exactly as much attention as he is now, the bare minimum. Because neither is Larry Fitz. In other words, especially from a FF perspective, the development of these other WR options is not going to help Fitz's production. Edited September 17, 2012 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Panic!! Jump I wanna see blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 At this point, sadly, he's no better than a WR2/WR3 who will occasionally put up a big game, but more often than not put up 4/60 numbers....which you could have gotten from the likes of Jasan Avant 12-15 rounds later. I'm afraid yesterday's stat line is going to be closer to the norm. 1 catch for 4 yards. And they're now 2-0 so I'm guessing the Cards are going to be content for now letting teams take Larry away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) What also concerns me is TD opportunities. Realistically, how often is this offense going to be in the red zone. Catches and yardage can get you into the top 15 or top 20 discussion, but you have no chance of entering the top 5 discussion without TD opportunities. Again, it's not an indictment of Fitz's abilities. It's just the reality of where he's playing right now. I think one day we'll look back on his career and think about the 'what ifs' Edited September 17, 2012 by nelsosi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm afraid yesterday's stat line is going to be closer to the norm. 1 catch for 4 yards. I think he'll do better than that...he is such a physical specimen that more often than not, he'll break a few tackles and his YAC will produce a decent line. Just so happened that yesterday, the Cardinals were playing with a lead, so they weren't airing it out too much. But assuming they are playing from behind more often than not (which I do), and that they have to pass a little more than not, then Fitz will get targeted, even if he is DT'd...and he's good enough to bring 30% of them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Here comes this "logic" rearing its ugly head again. I brought this up when people said Julio would open things up for White. It doesn't happen. If the complimentary WR is good enough to truly open things up for the WR1, then he's good enough to take targets and production away from him. I can assure you that, if someone was thinking about DTing Fitz, they're not having second thoughts about it until Floyd or Roberts, or someone starts to burn them and often. Which, again means yardage and TDs aren't going to Fitz. Even then, it's just going to open up the running game or something else because, if they feel like the WR2 deserves more attention, I'm rather certain that the last place on the field that attention is being pulled from is Fitz. They may trade out a LB for a DB which could open up the running game. But they're certainly not going to start doubling Roberts or Floyd with a guy that was previously being used to double Fitz. Further, it doesn't matter how bad your secondary receiving threats are, they're going to get someone lined-up against them. Nobody is going to be left entirely alone on purpose. So, whatever stiff was there before Floyd came along was likely getting exactly as much attention as he is now, the bare minimum. Because neither is Larry Fitz. In other words, especially from a FF perspective, the development of these other WR options is not going to help Fitz's production. That's not really my point at all (and you didn't bold the "or exploit it" part), and what you're saying kind of plays into what I'm saying. They're not even really targeting Fitz much from what I've seen, so it seems they're trying to establish other threats. It has little to do with Fitz's production that they don't have other threats that they need to establish to exploit it if they're gonna roll all the coverage his way. That may not "open things up" for Fitz if they do, but nonetheless, I don't think he's going to be so sparsely targeted to put up a 1 catch statline all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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