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After prompting by Brees & allowing Gregg Williams to attend Rams games, the league has agreed to allow Payton, Loomis & Vitt to be in attendance for Sunday's game vs the Chargers when Brees attempts to break Unitas's record.

 

@mortreport

 

While Payton, Looms & Vitt cannot have contact w team when attending Sunday night's game, @drewbrees may visit post-game to share the moment

 

https://twitter.com/mortreport/statu...58313526198272

 

Is it just me or does anybody else see the absurdity of this? They can go to the game, but they can't have contact with each other or anyone else associated with the team until after when they are only allowed to congratulate Brees. What do they think Payton will do, whip up a quick game plan and secretly call plays from the broom closet? It wouldn't surprise me if they each had a representative from the league as an escort to thwart any attempts of contact.

 

Part of me is glad that he will be able to be there. I think it will give a big boost to the fans and the team just to have him there, and he should be there IMO. I think he's just as big a part of this record as Brees is. But then it also really bothers me the way the league has handled it and part of me wishes he would just tell them to take their olive branch and shove it. Gregg Williams is allowed to go to any game he wants, but Payton can only go under this special circumstance and only after being pushed, what is up with that? Williams supposedly got the worst penalty, yet nothing the league has done would really suggest that. Their excuse is that he is "banned" rather than suspended like Sean Payton so he can attend any game he wants as long as he asks permission. They also say that Williams must abide by league protocol of no interactions with players, staff or media. Furthermore, he is still an employee of the Rams. I just don't get this.

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so the league grants them a one-time exception to the terms of their suspension, and that too becomes something else to complain about.

 

 

I don't get why Williams is allowed to attend any game he wants, but Payton et al. are only granted this one time & only under special circumstances. Yes, I think that is worthy of a complaint. I'm sorry that bothers you. :hugs:

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I don't get why Williams is allowed to attend any game he wants, but Payton et al. are only granted this one time & only under special circumstances. Yes, I think that is worthy of a complaint. I'm sorry that bothers you. :hugs:

 

 

would you prefer it that payton be banned indefinitely as williams is so he can get permission to go to all the saints games? SP is still the head coach of the team. it does not surprise nor confuse me in the least that they would see the need for a stricter, more attentive enforcement of a finite suspension where the person maintains their title and position than the more punitive, open-ended ban directed at williams.

 

obviously, the league could have responded to payton's request with a simple, "nope, you're suspended". instead they responded graciously. I would try and view it that way rather than seeing it, like everything else, through the prism of some sort of vendetta against your team.

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would you prefer it that payton be banned indefinitely as williams is so he can get permission to go to all the saints games? SP is still the head coach of the team. it does not surprise nor confuse me in the least that they would see the need for a stricter, more attentive enforcement of a finite suspension where the person maintains their title and position than the more punitive, open-ended ban directed at williams.

 

obviously, the league could have responded to payton's request with a simple, "nope, you're suspended". instead they responded graciously. I would try and view it that way rather than seeing it, like everything else, through the prism of some sort of vendetta against your team.

 

 

:lol: I'm not seeing it as a vendetta, I'm seeing it as being wishy-washy with their terms. I would rather they not allow Williams to attend games unless it was under a special circumstance, at least for this season. It's kind of a slap in the face if you ask me. Williams isn't out of the game completely either. He's still an employee of the Rams and while he was told that his suspension was "indefinite" vs Payton's one year suspension, they were both told that their return would be dependent on their behavior and cooperation during their time out. It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see Williams back in coaching next season.

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:lol: I'm not seeing it as a vendetta, I'm seeing it as being wishy-washy with their terms. I would rather they not allow Williams to attend games unless it was under a special circumstance, at least for this season. It's kind of a slap in the face if you ask me. Williams isn't out of the game completely either. He's still an employee of the Rams and while he was told that his suspension was "indefinite" vs Payton's one year suspension, they were both told that their return would be dependent on their behavior and cooperation during their time out. It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see Williams back in coaching next season.

 

Wait, if he is actually still an employee of the Rams, where have you read that he's allowed to attend Rams games?

 

Even if he is, is he still under contract there when/if he comes back?

 

Kind of important questions if you expect us to even blink an eye about something so trivial.

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Wait, if he is actually still an employee of the Rams, where have you read that he's allowed to attend Rams games?

 

Even if he is, is he still under contract there when/if he comes back?

 

Kind of important questions if you expect us to even blink an eye about something so trivial.

 

 

He's attended the last two Rams games and I would assume that if the Rams didn't let him go that he would be allowed to return if/when he comes back.

 

And I'm not expecting you to blink about anything. I just don't quite get the difference.

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They could celebrate on the couch like mostly everybody else do on Sundays.

 

 

Yeah, I agree. In fact, Payton said that he wasn't going to ask if he could go, but Brees asked for him & apparently he has agreed now since the league said he could go. I'd have no problem with the league saying that it wouldn't be allowed as long as they were consistent with their punishment. It's like telling your kids that they can't have desert if they don't eat all his brussel sprouts, but then giving it to them anyway.

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Reading conflicting info on this: from Schefter that because he's banned from employment, he doesn't need to ask for permission, but other reports he did ask for permission. Also, FYI, his son coaches for the Rams, so it doesn't seem nearly as fishy for him to want to attend.

 

Also read that the Rams didn't fire him (since he's suspended and they won't be paying him anyway), but that they'll re-evaluate if/when he's reinstated if they decide to bring him back next year. So coupled with the fact (if true) that he's barred from employment, it does not sound like he still has a job there when reinstated unless they decide to resign him.

 

So I don't really know what to think, but have spent way too much time looking into something very trivial.

 

But I do think it stands to reason why they'd be more concerned with coaches who are still employed by their teams.

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Reading conflicting info on this: from Schefter that because he's banned from employment, he doesn't need to ask for permission, but other reports he did ask for permission. Also, FYI, his son coaches for the Rams, so it doesn't seem nearly as fishy for him to want to attend.

 

Also read that the Rams didn't fire him (since he's suspended and they won't be paying him anyway), but that they'll re-evaluate if/when he's reinstated if they decide to bring him back next year. So coupled with the fact (if true) that he's barred from employment, it does not sound like he still has a job there when reinstated unless they decide to resign him.

 

So I don't really know what to think, but have spent way too much time looking into something very trivial.

 

But I do think it stands to reason why they'd be more concerned with coaches who are still employed by their teams.

 

 

Didn't say it was fishy, nor am I trying to imply. And I really don't see what difference it makes that his son is a coach for the team. My dad doesn't come to my office to watch me work. I'm saying that the league decided this punishment for a reason. My personal feelings aside, It doesn't make sense to let either of them attend a game and I don't get why the difference in terms between Payton & Williams's ability to attend games. Maybe it's as you say and just the fact that they are afraid Payton would be coaching from the stands. I honestly don't see how that would be plausible, but that's beside the point.

 

Oh, & sorry to waste your time on trivial Saints stuff.

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Didn't say it was fishy, nor am I trying to imply. And I really don't see what difference it makes that his son is a coach for the team. My dad doesn't come to my office to watch me work. I'm saying that the league decided this punishment for a reason. My personal feelings aside, It doesn't make sense to let either of them attend a game and I don't get why the difference in terms between Payton & Williams's ability to attend games. Maybe it's as you say and just the fact that they are afraid Payton would be coaching from the stands. I honestly don't see how that would be plausible, but that's beside the point.

 

Oh, & sorry to waste your time on trivial Saints stuff.

 

Ugggh, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, and I just meant that it's inconsequential to where I've already spent to much time on it already. However, I thought you'd be interested in what I was able to find out about it. That's all.

 

Really trying to be civil in reasoning with you, but you're making it tough man.

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Ugggh, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, and I just meant that it's inconsequential to where I've already spent to much time on it already. However, I thought you'd be interested in what I was able to find out about it. That's all.

 

Really trying to be civil in reasoning with you, but you're making it tough man.

 

I'm just clarifying what I meant. You mentioned that you didn't think it was fishy, I just wanted to make sure that nobody thought I was suggesting it was or that you somehow got that idea from me. I don't think that is unreasonable. And you've said three times now that it's a trivial issue and you've already spent too much time on it... Well, ok... Thanks for the help? :shrug:

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Will they be allowed to show him on the jumbotron? Will he be visible to the field of play or to the sidelines? Wil he have his cell phone impounded during the game?

 

 

BTW, I think unitas' record remains the more impressive feat unless Brees blows it away by another 50% or more. Unitas' was accomplished in an outdoor era where the defense was allowed to mug recievers and where o-linemen could not use their hands. In fact my first impression was that this was absolutely no big deal. Then I remembered that Montana, Marino, Fouts, Favre, Brady, Moon, Warner, Young, Elway and all others have not accomplished the feat and I started thinking this is still damn impressive.

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Will they be allowed to show him on the jumbotron? Will he be visible to the field of play or to the sidelines? Wil he have his cell phone impounded during the game?

 

I was wondering this as well, which is actually what got me started on this rant to begin with. I was thinking that they would at least let him sit in the owner's box or another suite, but then they said he could have no contact with anybody from the team & I thought that they wouldn't let him sit in a suite either because they wouldn't be able to monitor him as easily. The whole thing is just so absurd to me. Why even bother?

 

BTW, I think unitas' record remains the more impressive feat unless Brees blows it away by another 50% or more. Unitas' was accomplished in an outdoor era where the defense was allowed to mug recievers and where o-linemen could not use their hands. In fact my first impression was that this was absolutely no big deal. Then I remembered that Montana, Marino, Fouts, Favre, Brady, Moon, Warner, Young, Elway and all others have not accomplished the feat and I started thinking this is still damn impressive.

 

 

I agree to a point. I think in Unitas's time, though, that kind of passing game was so new & foreign to defenses it had to have been a little more difficult to defend than it is now. I think a player of today's development standards, such as a Manning, Brady, Rodgers or Brees would fare just as well back then.

 

I do find it disappointing that the whole story line has been downplayed leading up to it though. I think a lot of people think the same way, that it's not as impressive a feat. It's funny seeing the contrast, Saints fans talking first ballot HoF, but nationally it barely seems to get mentioned. It's one of the longest standing records in the NFL and i don't even see it mentioned on the front pages or even as a headline on ESPN or NFL.com. The bigger story this weekend is Brady vs Manning, which of course, is plastered all of the front pages. I guess I can't blame them though as the Saints aren't really what anyone would consider as relevant this season. That sure doesn't stop them from blathering on about the Cowboys tho. :woot:

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I thought this was a pretty cool gesture by Joe Unitas regarding the record:

 

Drew,

 

I wanted to take a minute to congratulate you on tying my father’s record for most consecutive games with a touchdown pass. I’ve been following your pursuit of the record since last season. I’m a big fan of yours, and wish you the best Sunday night against San Diego as you try to break the record. My father always said that records were meant to be broken. I know that if he was still with us that he would wish you the best as well.

 

When I look back on my father’s life I remember a man who was much bigger than the game of football. The things he would appreciate most about you have nothing to do with football; it’s about who you are as a person. You’re a role model for today’s youth, a family man, and a humanitarian who cares for his community. My father would tell you these are the important things in life, not some record in a book.

 

Continue to be a leader for your team and the City of New Orleans. You’re a great quarterback but even better man. Stay healthy and safe this week and in the future. My family and I will be watching Sunday night cheering for you. Best of luck.

 

Sincerely,

 

Joe Unitas

www.unitaswestand.com

 

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I have this feeling that all these invites and special circumstances is going to jinx the record. Just a feeling.

 

 

He's already tied the record, so he holds it along with Unitas. That's cool enough for me & I doubt it would bother him as long as they win.

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Is this a little petty of the league?

 

Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer

From the dept of the absurd: Saints were told by the league they are not allowed to show Sean Payton on the screen at game. Give me a break

 

Michelle Tafoya

10/05/12 3:20pm

SNF's Michele Tafoya on top storylines for Chargers and Saints, & why NBC won't 'be allowed to interview Sean Payton.

 

 

 

http://wpc.31d2.edgecastcdn.net/8031...o/40/78179.mp3

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Goodell say that all the coaches were free to talk to the media if they wanted to? :shrug:

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Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Man this persecution complex gets old. Well at least the Saints aren't amongst the winless anymore.

 

You're the one still reading it. If it "gets old" then why do you keep coming back to read and comment on it? Get out if it bothers you so much that I feel the need to vent. I think I've more than earned that right here and it should be obvious by now that I don't really care what you think on the subject anyway. :shrug:

 

On topic:

It was yet another stupid move in a growing line of stupid moves by the league. Payton never should have been suspended for the entire season, but since he was the league should have had the balls to stick with the punishment they dealt and never agreed to let him attend. Either do it, or don't do it. If you're going to turn around and suddenly be lenient, then have the balls to admit your mistake to begin with and give us our damn coach back. Hell, at least let US enjoy seeing him there. We, as fans, have done nothing wrong so why include us in your punishment? All you're doing is just reopening the wound. It was childish and petty of them to not allow the fans the enjoyment of at least seeing their coach there & it was even more childish not allowing NBC to interview him.

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It was yet another stupid move in a growing line of stupid moves by the league. Payton never should have been suspended for the entire season, but since he was the league should have had the balls to stick with the punishment they dealt and never agreed to let him attend. Either do it, or don't do it. If you're going to turn around and suddenly be lenient, then have the balls to admit your mistake to begin with and give us our damn coach back. Hell, at least let US enjoy seeing him there. We, as fans, have done nothing wrong so why include us in your punishment? All you're doing is just reopening the wound. It was childish and petty of them to not allow the fans the enjoyment of at least seeing their coach there & it was even more childish not allowing NBC to interview him.

 

Why is it so hard to just accept or understand that it was a gracious gesture by the NFL towards Brees/Payton and a personal relationship to celebrate a record being broken... Brees and Payton obviously seem to go beyond a simple coach/QB relationship. Brees was about to break a record and having Payton in attendance was meaningful to him.

 

I don't see anything wrong with the NFL granting that request and limiting it to just that. There's no reason Payton needed to be interviewed or shown on the jumbotron or anything like that. He's suspended, it wasn't punishment to the fans it was punishment on him. Interviewing him on tv or putting him on the jumbotron for the fans to get all excited about "hey let's scream and cheer for our cheater coach cause he's here, yippee" makes it all about him. Drew Brees broke the record not Sean Payton, He was there to celebrate a record being set by somebody very close to him and that's all it needed to be. Quite honestly I wouldn't have had a problem if the NFL had asked NBC and other media outlets to not even acknowledge the fact he was there.

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Why is it so hard to just accept or understand that it was a gracious gesture by the NFL towards Brees/Payton and a personal relationship to celebrate a record being broken... Brees and Payton obviously seem to go beyond a simple coach/QB relationship. Brees was about to break a record and having Payton in attendance was meaningful to him.

 

I don't see anything wrong with the NFL granting that request and limiting it to just that. There's no reason Payton needed to be interviewed or shown on the jumbotron or anything like that. He's suspended, it wasn't punishment to the fans it was punishment on him. Interviewing him on tv or putting him on the jumbotron for the fans to get all excited about "hey let's scream and cheer for our cheater coach cause he's here, yippee" makes it all about him. Drew Brees broke the record not Sean Payton, He was there to celebrate a record being set by somebody very close to him and that's all it needed to be. Quite honestly I wouldn't have had a problem if the NFL had asked NBC and other media outlets to not even acknowledge the fact he was there.

 

 

Honestly, how many fans of teams do you think would be able to accept this? Could you imagine the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands that would be going on if this had been A Tom Coughlin or Andy Reid? No, wait... not them, but their defensive coordinator? And then to have high brow folks like yourself come out to call them liars and cheaters? The ONLY great thing that has ever happened to this franchise and fan base & now it's all just a lie. It never should have happened. They were never that good to begin with. They had to cheat to win. Of course, that's the ONLY way the Saints would ever win anything, just look at the results this year. Look at what happens when all that cheating goes away. Right back where the Saints should be... The laughing stock & the shame of the league. A joke of a franchise. Why should the fans deserve to be thrown a bone? We don't provide anything. We haven't given anything. Why can't we just THANK the league for handing us a Superbowl on a silver platter because they felt sorry for us. Why can't we just be grateful that the league and/or refs gave us this one win this year. Why can't we be thankful that the league has been SO "gracious" and giving to us? I just don't know...

 

Yeah... I'd have to say it's all pretty God d@mn hard to accept.

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