LvilleSlugger Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) After this guy went off, The Huddle said to pull out all the stops to get him, he is going to be an elite receiver, etc. Now one game later they rank him the 37 WR for the rest of season and say people overpaid for him. Why the sudden change of Hart? (pun intended) Disclaimer: I wasn't expecting him to be an actual WR1, more of a match-up play or bye week fill-in, so I took the initial optimism with a grain of salt. Edited October 14, 2012 by LvilleSlugger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efi4eye Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Yeah, it was pretty extreme to say he'll be an elite receiver at this point. I read other blurbs like that about him being a must-start now. If you have him as a WR3 he's a great play, but until he puts up some more 100+ yard weeks anything else is overreacting IMO. He's been around for a few years now and been decent but not great, so one game doesn't make him an instant stud IMO. Once he gets recognized by teams as the focal point of the passing game, can he still produce or will he get shut down? Edited October 14, 2012 by efi4eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Because I have Amendola, I have yet to start Hartline. This week I still have him on my bench, in favor of flexing McGahee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brg88tx Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 i knew it was a fluke, but i played along anyway and started him this week.......back to the waiver wire white boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 too white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EW3 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I picked him up because I had an open spot and was hoping I could flip him. But I'll be dropping him this week and picking up a Felix Jones or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 They took targets into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luger Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 The party is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 After this guy went off, The Huddle said to pull out all the stops to get him, he is going to be an elite receiver, etc. Now one game later they rank him the 37 WR for the rest of season and say people overpaid for him. Why the sudden change of Hart? (pun intended) Where did you see anyone saying that Hartline, Brian Hartline was going to be an "elite receiver" or that you should "pull out all the stops" to get him? In the week 3 Free Agent Forecast he was mentioned as a "Poor Man's Amendola" and that he had the potential to be a WR3 and that was actually the week before his 253 yard game. You made me search the site. I don't understand where you are getting that. No doubt that people overpaid for him, but I find no where that we told anyone to do that. Not even from a poster on the message board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XFlash Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Where did you see anyone saying that Hartline, Brian Hartline was going to be an "elite receiver" or that you should "pull out all the stops" to get him? In the week 3 Free Agent Forecast he was mentioned as a "Poor Man's Amendola" and that he had the potential to be a WR3 and that was actually the week before his 253 yard game. You made me search the site. I don't understand where you are getting that. No doubt that people overpaid for him, but I find no where that we told anyone to do that. Not even from a poster on the message board. I believe that new Hartline owners may have read those phrases in the forums rather than the weekly article. It is easy to get into the hype when an unknown make a huge splash; between the news, rush to get said player, read opinions, and the article, plus what you hear on TV, it is easy to lump everything together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 After this guy went off, The Huddle said to pull out all the stops to get him, he is going to be an elite receiver, etc. Now one game later they rank him the 37 WR for the rest of season and say people overpaid for him. Why the sudden change of Hart? (pun intended) Disclaimer: I wasn't expecting him to be an actual WR1, more of a match-up play or bye week fill-in, so I took the initial optimism with a grain of salt. So you took with a grain of salt the talk that Hartline could be an elite WR, yet came back here to not only misrepresent that as Huddle advice, but to call them out on advice you apparently weren't counting on. I understand it was probably a mistake here, but these lame gotcha attempts against the Huddle for not having a crystal ball get really old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 So you took with a grain of salt the talk that Hartline could be an elite WR, yet came back here to not only misrepresent that as Huddle advice, but to call them out on advice you apparently weren't counting on. I understand it was probably a mistake here, but these lame gotcha attempts against the Huddle for not having a crystal ball get really old... +1 million Maybe we need a forum for whining about all the bad advice, bad rules, bogus scoring changes, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LvilleSlugger Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) Where did you see anyone saying that Hartline, Brian Hartline was going to be an "elite receiver" or that you should "pull out all the stops" to get him? In the week 3 Free Agent Forecast he was mentioned as a "Poor Man's Amendola" and that he had the potential to be a WR3 and that was actually the week before his 253 yard game. You made me search the site. I don't understand where you are getting that. No doubt that people overpaid for him, but I find no where that we told anyone to do that. Not even from a poster on the message board. It was the Free Agent Forecast AFTER the 250 yarder. I'm not complaining because I would have picked him up anyway but it just seemed enthusiastic for someone who has been around a while but never put up those numbers before. That was week 4 so I apologize if that's not what was said verbatim but it was along those lines. So you took with a grain of salt the talk that Hartline could be an elite WR, yet came back here to not only misrepresent that as Huddle advice, but to call them out on advice you apparently weren't counting on. I understand it was probably a mistake here, but these lame gotcha attempts against the Huddle for not having a crystal ball get really old... There was no "could be" it was more of a "will be" insinuation. And I don't count on any advice, I take it into consideration and use my own brain to come to my own conclusions. This post is so off-base I don't really want to waste any more time on it. +1 million Maybe we need a forum for whining about all the bad advice, bad rules, bogus scoring changes, etc. I'm not "whining" as much as you all want that to be the case. The only ones trying to call anyone out here are you two, therefore you can both kiss my ass as soon as you pry your lips off of DMD's. Edited October 16, 2012 by LvilleSlugger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostack Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Your not whining, just a troll with no bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LvilleSlugger Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Your not whining, just a troll with no bridge. Now that's F@#$ing clever!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 http://www.thehuddle.com/2012/season/05/free-agent-forecast.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 http://www.thehuddle...nt-forecast.php sure looks like it says "elite" and "pull out all the stops" from here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Where did you see anyone saying that Hartline, Brian Hartline was going to be an "elite receiver" or that you should "pull out all the stops" to get him? In the week 3 Free Agent Forecast he was mentioned as a "Poor Man's Amendola" and that he had the potential to be a WR3 and that was actually the week before his 253 yard game. You made me search the site. I don't understand where you are getting that. No doubt that people overpaid for him, but I find no where that we told anyone to do that. Not even from a poster on the message board. http://www.thehuddle...nt-forecast.php Pwned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 WR's are highly unpredictable anyhow. I spent some waiver budget to get Hartline, but I also didn't start him against one of the best secondaries so far this year. I'm not about to drop him because he was blanked by the Rams. I'll likely be starting him against the Titans, Colts, and Bills, but not the Seahawks of Niners. The guy is useable, but remember, white guys don't last or aren't matchup proof or can't jump or dance badly...I can't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Can we look for Josh Gordon to be the next elite receiver in tomorrow's free agent forecast now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Pwned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) So the "elite" point was from the Free Agent Forecast (FAF), well I can say that I've noticed that the opinions of that author (Paul Sandy) are often different from those of DMD or others who contribute to other articles. I've also noticed that the FAF article often says "The Forecast suggests/recommends/etc." with Forecast italicized, as if clarifying that is their opinion, not some consensus of huddle authors. The following week, the ROS rankings (done by Tuvey) rank him 37 (there's no mention there of people overpaying, etc.). I agree that seems low for an elite WR. If you look at week 5 ROS, Hartline was 40, so while he was an elite WR on week 5 Free Agents, he was not that high on ROS, and moved up a little the following week. The point is, there may have never been a change of heart since multiple people held differing opinions on this player. You cannot excpect the rankings/ratings of players across multiple articles on the same site to all agree. The OP incorrectly thinks that every piece of info found at the huddle comes from a singular thought train, when the reality is each of these guys have their own beliefs and systems for offering their advice. Its pretty simple, Paul Sandy thinks Hartline was moving to elite status, Tuvey doesn't concur with the ROS rankings. Edited October 16, 2012 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 The OP incorrectly thinks that every piece of info found at the huddle comes from a singular thought train, when the reality is each of these guys have their own beliefs and systems for offering their advice. Its pretty simple, Paul Sandy thinks Hartline was moving to elite status, Tuvey doesn't concur with the ROS rankings. plz point out to me where the "OP" stated that he thinks the bolded is fact. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 plz point out to me where the "OP" stated that he thinks the bolded is fact. TIA Pretty well implied that he views anything "The Huddle" says as a singular entity, when no one did actually contradict themselves, just perhaps eachother (but to me that's a good thing. I like that DMD and Tuvey still have an article about their different takes). Anyways, it does appear that we were wrong, and I was probably jumping the gun that the OP did intend to play gotcha, but I guess it still annoys me that these things only come out in hindsight. If you really thought they were that offbase, maybe bring it up at the time, because it just appears petty and vengeful when people throw it in their face on the times that they (or in this case another writer) miss or later contradict eachother just like anyone without a crystal ball. And who knows, maybe Sandy is the one who will end up right here. It was just one week after leading the NFL in yardage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinkris Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I really think everyone here who is getting mad at the op is over reacting a bit but there have been a ton of posts lately by people who are bashing "the huddle" when one of their predictions don't work out. In this case though it would seem the op is asking why the huddle had said hartline would be an elite Wr but now only ranks him 37th and was wondering what had changed. Maybe he didn't realize that different people write different sections, but that could Obv be the answer to his question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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