electricrelish Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 If you are not the commissioner, how do you see what stats changes were made for the past week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Look under the help tab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Look under the help tab. this and then click on What's New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 how do you guys handle stat changes? i have them final tuesday morning, SOL if any stat changes after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 how do you guys handle stat changes? i have them final tuesday morning, SOL if any stat changes after that. Considering that stat changes are generally not announced/finalized by Elias and the NFL until Thursday morning, you won't get many. I think every league I am in automatically applies the officially announced stat changes on Thursday morning. FF scores are updated accordinigly. Stat changes that come out after the next week's games have started are not applied (ie a change for week 3 announced this week). Those are much more rare, but they have occurred before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 how do you guys handle stat changes? i have them final tuesday morning, SOL if any stat changes after that. This is a problem. Owners in your league either aren't paying attention or don't care. Scoring should match up with official NFL stats which aren't changed till Thursday morning. You should change this approach in the interest of fairness.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 This is a problem. Owners in your league either aren't paying attention or don't care. Scoring should match up with official NFL stats which aren't changed till Thursday morning. You should change this approach in the interest of fairness.... Let's say a change comes in the following week, I know it's rare but what if? Let's say a change comes in for the fantasy superbowl that affects the outcome 2 weeks later? How can you accept some stat changes and not all? I've gone back and forth for a while and I like it being final on Tuesday. Everyone at the draft knows its final and that's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Let's say a change comes in the following week, I know it's rare but what if? Let's say a change comes in for the fantasy superbowl that affects the outcome 2 weeks later? How can you accept some stat changes and not all? I've gone back and forth for a while and I like it being final on Tuesday. Everyone at the draft knows its final and that's that. I also raised the issue recently about things that happen after result is final Tuesday morning in your league, which are affected by win/loss and points, that cannot be easily undone later in the week when a scoring change is made. For example waivers, if reset each week based on current standings, you could lose, be awarded the top waiver pick, then scoring change hits, and you end up winning and should not have gotten that player on waivers. Trying to undo all that is a mess if even possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I also raised the issue recently about things that happen after result is final Tuesday morning in your league, which are affected by win/loss and points, that cannot be easily undone later in the week when a scoring change is made. For example waivers, if reset each week based on current standings, you could lose, be awarded the top waiver pick, then scoring change hits, and you end up winning and should not have gotten that player on waivers. Trying to undo all that is a mess if even possible. Simple solution is to stop being a commie and rewarding people for sucking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The stats are the stats. Make it official Thursday morning when the NFL make sit official. Use the Big Ben pass/ run change as an example. The team starting Ben should have gotten an additional 7 points or so dependent on your scoring after the change was made. This changed a lot of losses into wins. Why would your league ignore that? It was a pass. What is more important: Getting the waiver order correct or giving the win to the proper team? Run your league the way you want, but this is just a lazy way to commish a league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 DOG, You suggesting blind bid or some other system for waivers? ikirc, Nothing lazy about it, just pointing out allowing changes to game scores 2 days after the results are final has potential for other issues. Guys could be making roster moves based on their record and standings (not just waivers), that if the result had been different would have impacted them. I'm not even saying that our league doesn't take them into account, I'm not sure and have debated that with my co-commish. I'm not saying do this or do that, just pointing out what may be unforseen consequences of these actions. Not taking those things into account can lead one to make a decision that creates many other issues. PS If the stats are the stats, why not allow corrections weeks after the fact. I mean if the stats are pure and holy, then nothing else matters. Even if that means crowning a different league champ several weeks or years later. Curious how fantasy leagues for other sports that play several games a week handle these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The stats are the stats. Make it official Thursday morning when the NFL make sit official. Use the Big Ben pass/ run change as an example. The team starting Ben should have gotten an additional 7 points or so dependent on your scoring after the change was made. This changed a lot of losses into wins. Why would your league ignore that? It was a pass. What is more important: Getting the waiver order correct or giving the win to the proper team? Run your league the way you want, but this is just a lazy way to commish a league. It isn't lazy, it causes less controversy IMO. Waiver wire is important, sometime moreso than a W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 DOG, You suggesting blind bid or some other system for waivers? More just razzing those who use-worst-to-first, but no, I am not a fan. Kind of off-topic of the thread, but I prefer rolling waiver order (you use it and you go to the bottom of the list) or any way that forces you to give up something of value, not just be given the top waiver pick because you sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Back on topic, I don't see a huge issue of the "unintended consequences". Sorry, but I don't think a win or loss should drastically change whether you need to make a move or not.... And if it does for someone, oh well, BFD. I'd rather get the scoring right than cater to the "well, I would have picked up so-and-so if I'd thought I'd lost".... Well, sorry. You should know if there's someone better than who you've got on roster worth picking up, and make moves accordingly. As for Steve's example of it changing waivers in some leagues, what's the big issue with doing waivers according to preliminary scores, with the knowledge that maybe 1 or 2 of those at most (in most cases, it doesn't even make a difference) may change. If it's that close, then oh well, the person probably isn't that much less or more deserving anyway, when it easily could have been otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Let's say a change comes in the following week, I know it's rare but what if? Let's say a change comes in for the fantasy superbowl that affects the outcome 2 weeks later? How can you accept some stat changes and not all? I've gone back and forth for a while and I like it being final on Tuesday. Everyone at the draft knows its final and that's that. Didn't see this earleir, but perhaps make a statute of limitation, such as that they have to be done by that Thursday. Particularly during the playoffs, it absolutely has to be by that Thursday, because you obviously can't change playoff teams weeks later, or even a day later with TNF. But what you're talknig about with the superbowl is a lose-lose situation, and certainly not one that justifies calling the unrightful winner league champ. The situation is kind of akin to refs calling a game before they've had a chance to review whether the game-winning TD was actually a score. It's just that in this situation, they have hundreds of plays to review and make official, which can obviously take days rather than minutes. Edited October 18, 2012 by delusions of grandeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Back on topic, I don't see a huge issue of the "unintended consequences". Sorry, but I don't think a win or loss should drastically change whether you need to make a move or not.... And if it does for someone, oh well, BFD. I'd rather get the scoring right than cater to the "well, I would have picked up so-and-so if I'd thought I'd lost".... Well, sorry. You should know if there's someone better than who you've got on roster worth picking up, and make moves accordingly. As for Steve's example of it changing waivers in some leagues, what's the big issue with doing waivers according to preliminary scores, with the knowledge that maybe 1 or 2 of those at most (in most cases, it doesn't even make a difference) may change. If it's that close, then oh well, the person probably isn't that much less or more deserving anyway, when it easily could have been otherwise. So you've never seen a case where an owner is out of the playoffs and therefore doesn't aggressively make roster moves. Say you lose and it knocks you out, so you don't bother getting the backup for a stud player that is injured. Then results are changed, and you win your game, now you're in the playoffs and would have made a move. Could also see players making trades based on the result of one game, then having that result change, and thinking "no way I would have made that trade". You can say these scenarios are silly and would rarely occur, I would say the same about stats corrections. We happen to have had a few more early this year than I remember in the past. It has to be a nightmare with IDP where things like tackles and sacks are adjusted more regularly since they are subjective calls (or are they official and not changeable later). I'm a software programmer by trade, part of my job is looking for "what if" scenarios, and designing/coding to handle every possible outcome. So that's my angle on this issue, allowing one thing to change after the fact, that affects a bunch of other things is just a bad idea. The simplistic "stats are stats, changes should be done automatically" just doesn't take the big picture into account. Edited October 18, 2012 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 So you've never seen a case where an owner is out of the playoffs and therefore doesn't aggressively make roster moves. Say you lose and it knocks you out, so you don't bother getting the backup for a stud player that is injured. Then results are changed, and you win your game, now you're in the playoffs and would have made a move. Could also see players making trades based on the result of one game, then having that result change, and thinking "no way I would have made that trade". You can say these scenarios are silly and would rarely occur, I would say the same about stats corrections. We happen to have had a few more early this year than I remember in the past. It has to be a nightmare with IDP where things like tackles and sacks are adjusted more regularly since they are subjective calls (or are they official and not changeable later). I'm a software programmer by trade, part of my job is looking for "what if" scenarios, and designing/coding to handle every possible outcome. So that's my angle on this issue, allowing one thing to change after the fact, that affects a bunch of other things is just a bad idea. The simplistic "stats are stats, changes should be done automatically" just doesn't take the big picture into account. Again, I have to say BFD. I'd rather get the score right than cater to an owner who didn't have the foresight to realize they might or not be out of it if there's a scoring change on a tight game, and just gives up because they assume it does. Sure, there will be issues no matter how you do it, but those are rather inconseuqnetial compared to the league's job to make sure that scoring is correct. That is of utmost importance, and it's certainly no more fair for an owner to be knocked out of the playoffs because it was scored incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 DOG, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Your BFD attitude sounds like somebody who hasn't ever been commissioner and dealt with problems when they come up. Maybe I'm mistaken. As you said, there's issus either way, so I'm not sure what makes one way more right than the other. You have given me some things to think about and discuss with my co-commish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) DOG, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Your BFD attitude sounds like somebody who hasn't ever been commissioner and dealt with problems when they come up. Maybe I'm mistaken. As you said, there's issus either way, so I'm not sure what makes one way more right than the other. You have given me some things to think about and discuss with my co-commish. My BFD attitude actually arises from years of being commish, and learning not to bend over backwards and babysit owners. It only creates more problems trying to save people from themselves. Look, everyone in my leagues knows beforehand that stat changes can and will happen on Thursdays, and in the past I even left it up to them to check for stat corrections if they had a close game (this was before I realized I could check it to do it automatically on MFL). So all of the problems you've mentioned can be eliminated by making sure that your league has an understanding that this can and will happen, so plan accordingly. I don't see how it's more problematic than having people lose by incorrect scoring. Edited October 18, 2012 by delusions of grandeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 To me the result is official on Thursday morning when the stat changes come in. If a stat is changed in further weeks and it may have resulted in a change in a win or loss then that's just too bad. We're not going back and changing the results and records and re-adjusting standings or playoff teams. What happens if a week 14 stat gets changed in week 16 and it would have changed the outcome of our first playoff week? Do we then go back and sub out the teams in weeks 15 and 16 accordingly? How do we decide the starting lineup the team that was eliminated but should have gone through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The most important thing is getting the score right. The team whose players out scored the other teams players on the field should win. The rest is secondary. Those who think otherwise don't really understand what is important. I am not advocating going back multiple weeks and making changes, but I don't think waiting till Thursday morning to make results official will cause your league to fall apart with controversy. Letting teams win who don't deserve it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Waiver wire is important, sometime moreso than a W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 If you are not the commissioner, how do you see what stats changes were made for the past week? yahoo announces changes right on your team page. can't miss it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 You serious? When MJD was a rookie (I believe), I would rather have him on my team for the rest of the year than 1 W. That's just 1 example. Now imagine you lost him because you were awarded a W tuesday then Thursday you are awarded a L and now you got a L and lost on a stud you might have had a shot to get. I see both arguments, but people can swallow waking up Tuesday morning to a score and plan accordingly. It is just as rare that a stat correction changes a W/L Thursday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) My BFD attitude actually arises from years of being commish, and learning not to bend over backwards and babysit owners. It only creates more problems trying to save people from themselves. This has nothing to do with bending over backwards and babysitting owners. I am in multiple leagues and I expeirence both approaches, as long as the league is consistent and everyone is aware of the rules I am ok with both of them but I tend to lean towards definitive scoring Tuesday. Edited October 19, 2012 by MrTed46 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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