keggerz Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Do you get a vote? yes, because I am a member of the PFWA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Griffin has fumbled the ball 12 times. Only two have been recovered by the opposition. Quite a bit of luck in that. I honestly don't think Luck will win it. He has not played well the last month of the season, unless it's at the end of a half. Then he's been pretty damn good. A strong showing vs Houston might change things, but without it, I think one of the other two win ROY. I am not down on Luck by any means. I think he will be great and has played really well for a rookie. I am just saying that his stats do not compare. as they go into the record books. RE: Griffin's turnovers, at the end of the day it's really the turnover happening or not that matters. It's like tipped INTs. Luck might have suffered greatly from tipped balls giving him more INTs and dropped balls killing his completion percentage, but they are still his numbers. OROY is going to a QB, and with three rookies making the playoffs it will certainly come down to their stats. I would be shocked if anyone other than RG3 got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 If Wilson throws a couple TD's and sets the rookie TD record, I think his chances go way up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Luck hasn't had a turnover the last two games. At the same time, his stats have gone down. The coaching staff has really stressed ball security to Luck, and I think he's playing scared to make mistakes the last few games. It's probably the right move, because if the Colts turn the ball over, they can't win. Not without a running game and a below average defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 All this talk about Doug Martin. The kid is explosive there is no doubt about it. But Al-a-Mo had more yardage and the same amount of rushing TD's. He was not as prolific in the passing game, however. But, he did help take a team to the brink of a division title. Does Martin have any more of those week 9 explosions or was that a FF dream come true. Only time will tell, but lets not totally dismiss Alfred and proclaim Martin the unheralded rookie RB dynamo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 All this talk about Doug Martin. The kid is explosive there is no doubt about it. But Al-a-Mo had more yardage and the same amount of rushing TD's. He was not as prolific in the passing game, however. But, he did help take a team to the brink of a division title. Does Martin have any more of those week 9 explosions or was that a FF dream come true. Only time will tell, but lets not totally dismiss Alfred and proclaim Martin the unheralded rookie RB dynamo. Either way they are both behind the 3 QBs. Martin is much more explosive than Morris but Morris should still be a nice player for a while. For my money I'd take Richardson in the long run. And at this point I'm leaning more towards Wilson as OROY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_bone65 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 As much as I dispise the Redskins I will have to go with RG3 for OROY. He and Morris should be a nice foundation for them to build on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Either way they are both behind the 3 QBs. Martin is much more explosive than Morris but Morris should still be a nice player for a while. For my money I'd take Richardson in the long run. And at this point I'm leaning more towards Wilson as OROY No disagreement here. Its gonna be a tight race between the 3 QB's there is no doubt. I think the results of this Sunday will go a long way in determining the outcome. IMO, its between RGIII and Wilson at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 The Colts had the top pick in the 2012 draft, meaning they were the worst team last season. With Luck they are fully in playoff contention. I think this one is a no-brainer at this point in the season. This. But I will reserve my decision until after RG III's performance in tomorrow night's Division title game against Dallas. If he comes up bnig time and wins that game, it could sway me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd and schlong Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I think it has to be RGIII. When you look at his stats and the unexpected success of the skins, it all points to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 ....the Colts o-line is awful. They can't run the ball and the running backs are average at best. The Colts also throw the ball down the field more than the Redskins and Seahawks do. Both of those teams have a back that has rushed for over 1400 yards. Alfred Morris has 1,413 yards. Marshawn Lynch has 1,490 yards. The Colts leading rusher has 790. Probably a little easier to throw the ball when you have a legitimate running threat. In response to the bolded, it's also probably a bit easier to throw the ball when you're throwing it to Reggie Wayne. Washington has Santana Moss at WR, who's serviceable, Seattle has...uhhhh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 No disagreement here. Its gonna be a tight race between the 3 QB's there is no doubt. I think the results of this Sunday will go a long way in determining the outcome. IMO, its between RGIII and Wilson at this point. ...and even with that said, if there is an "upset" and Luck (or Morris, or Martin) wins it, it isn't as if any of the 5 names being bandied about here are undeserving at all. It's just one of those years with 5 outstanding rookie performers, and only one award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Colts are 22 in rushing with 1,590 that's 108 yards from being 14 overall. The running game hasn't been anemic, not great, but not horrid. The O-line on the other hand is pretty lackluster. I still think Luck deserves to be in the running and as stated before his team has had the biggest turnaround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Colts are 22 in rushing with 1,590 that's 108 yards from being 14 overall. The running game hasn't been anemic, not great, but not horrid. The O-line on the other hand is pretty lackluster. I still think Luck deserves to be in the running and as stated before his team has had the biggest turnaround. I would hate to see an anemic running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I would hate to see an anemic running game. Ever watch the Cardinals play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Ever watch the Cardinals play? Calling any part of the Cards offense "anemic" should be enough earn a lawsuit from the National Anemia Foundation - "yes, it's a debilitating disease but it isn't THAT bad" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Luck did a nice job today. Another quality win over a playoff team. 11 wins. 7 fourth quarter or OT comeback wins. Rookie record for yardage. 23 TD's passing. 5 TD's rushing. And took the worst team in the NFL last year to the playoffs. Pretty strong case in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Calling any part of the Cards offense "anemic" should be enough earn a lawsuit from the National Anemia Foundation - "yes, it's a debilitating disease but it isn't THAT bad" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh2 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Russell Wilson. He earned it. The pundits said he was too small (under 6'). Coaching staff held him badck early in the year with a very conserative playbook. Seahawks 11-5 while playing a tougher schedule than the Colts also 11-5. 49ers - twice, NE, Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Russell Wilson. He earned it. The pundits said he was too small (under 6'). Coaching staff held him badck early in the year with a very conserative playbook. Seahawks 11-5 while playing a tougher schedule than the Colts also 11-5. 49ers - twice, NE, Chicago. That's a tougher schedule than GB, Minny, Chicago, NE, and HOU twice? And let's be honest here, they didn't beat the Packers, and his rookie TD record should have an asterisk for that bad TD call. Edited December 31, 2012 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I was looking at a bunch of stats earlier tonight and some scream 1 QB, others scream another, and others the 3rd....but I few that really jumped out at me were the following: 3rd down conversion % Indy ranked 2nd, Sea 24th and Wash 31st 3rd down attempts: Indy ranked 7th, Sea 31st, Wash 32nd 1st downs: Indy ranked 4th, Wash 10th, Sea 16th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) That's a tougher schedule than GB, Minny, Chicago, NE, and HOU twice? And let's be honest here, they didn't beat the Packers, and his rookie TD record should have an asterisk for that bad TD call. Get over it, it wasn't a bad call on the Golden Tate TD. Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Edited December 31, 2012 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Get over it, it wasn't a bad call. The referee of the crew that made the call admitted it was a bad call. http://www.nfl.com/n...an-interception Edited December 31, 2012 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) The referee of the crew that made the call admitted it was a bad call. http://www.nfl.com/n...an-interception "I'd probably call interception," Elliot said, Elliott wasn't in the end zone in Seattle and didn't make the initial call on the play. It was obvious his crew wasn't correctly positioned, and Elliott admits that the replacements' grasp of the NFL rulebook wasn't great. Where in the article does he say it was the WRONG call? I also would argue that the ref(see red) wasn't as out of position as some have stated...look at the one image in link 1 that I posted...he is in the corner near the pylon looking right at the catch. EDIT: Read the title of the article too (Hail Mary ref: Seahawks TD probably an interception) Probably is not definitive and replay needs definitive to overturn it...but when you look at the work done in those links...especially the added angle from the TV station that the Ref didn't have it is easier to see it may not have been a bad call at all, and was actually the right call. EDIT2: I have to ask...did you watch/listen to the video with the refs? Edited December 31, 2012 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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