stethant Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I rode Matt Ryan through his glory days in the opening weeks of the season, only to watch him completely crap out in the last 5 weeks. This guy's gone from being an early season top 3 QB to now barely holding on to top 10 status. He's taken my whole team down with him. What gives? He's still playing crappy teams but just doesn't throw as much and doesn't need to to get the wins. It's almost as if Mike Smith gets conservative and turtles the offense whenever they have a lead. I see some parallels in the offensive mismanagement of both the Falcons and Ravens - while these are both playoff teams, is anyone confident about their chances to make a deep run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 More evidence that NFL teams don't give a flying you-know-what about fantasy stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I rode Matt Ryan through his glory days in the opening weeks of the season, only to watch him completely crap out in the last 5 weeks. This guy's gone from being an early season top 3 QB to now barely holding on to top 10 status. He's taken my whole team down with him. What gives? He's still playing crappy teams but just doesn't throw as much and doesn't need to to get the wins. It's almost as if Mike Smith gets conservative and turtles the offense whenever they have a lead. I see some parallels in the offensive mismanagement of both the Falcons and Ravens - while these are both playoff teams, is anyone confident about their chances to make a deep run? The league will stop at nothing to make Manning a five time MVP. I feel sorry for Ryan, but he had to be sacrified since he was in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trots Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I rode Matt Ryan through his glory days in the opening weeks of the season, only to watch him completely crap out in the last 5 weeks. This guy's gone from being an early season top 3 QB to now barely holding on to top 10 status. He's taken my whole team down with him. What gives? He's still playing crappy teams but just doesn't throw as much and doesn't need to to get the wins. It's almost as if Mike Smith gets conservative and turtles the offense whenever they have a lead. I see some parallels in the offensive mismanagement of both the Falcons and Ravens - while these are both playoff teams, is anyone confident about their chances to make a deep run? My god, you sure whine a lot. Maybe you should play checkers instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsul Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well I agree with the assessment of Ryan, he has become a fringe starter, if you have better options. Carolina offers a good matchup but that’s what I thought about New Orleans. Atlanta settles for too many field goals, that is bryant is in the top 3 in attempts. Ryan is good when the game is very close or Atlanta is loosing otherwise he is well below average in fantasy value as they sit on the lead and never try to blow teams out like New England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malta69 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Dump him for Nick Foles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well I agree with the assessment of Ryan, he has become a fringe starter, if you have better options. Carolina offers a good matchup but that’s what I thought about New Orleans. Atlanta settles for too many field goals, that is bryant is in the top 3 in attempts. Ryan is good when the game is very close or Atlanta is loosing otherwise he is well below average in fantasy value as they sit on the lead and never try to blow teams out like New England. The Saints have been pretty good against the pass in the past month and they are a divisional rival also...but I also expect Ryan to take a step back performance-wise down the stretch because it is just what usually happens in Fantasy to QB's who start off hot...I may end up riding Tannehill or Wilson into the playoffs if the matchups are lucrative...but I won't like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Been rolling with Ryan all year but I think I am going to go with Freeman this weekend. Which probably means Ryan will go 280/3 and Freeman will get hurt. I know if I start Ryan, though, he will go 220/1 and Freeman will go 280/3 on my bench and I will lose and be out of the playoffs. This is how it happens for me this time of year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rileyrott Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Starting Stafford over Ryan THIS week, which is what I should've done LAST week. Been doing this back-and-forth all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XFlash Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Been rolling with Ryan all year but I think I am going to go with Freeman this weekend. Which probably means Ryan will go 280/3 and Freeman will get hurt. I know if I start Ryan, though, he will go 220/1 and Freeman will go 280/3 on my bench and I will lose and be out of the playoffs. This is how it happens for me this time of year i have the same situation. It is hard to turn down a J.Jones away game as well as Gonzo getting action. I was thinking Freeman until he had his so-so game the other week. Win and advance or lose and go home. Tough one, but I'm sticking with Ryan this week. Look what KC QB and offense did to CAR last week. You got to figure if Ryan can at least duplicate that production, I would live with it.....right....right.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddfish2 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Been rolling with Ryan all year but I think I am going to go with Freeman this weekend. Which probably means Ryan will go 280/3 and Freeman will get hurt. I know if I start Ryan, though, he will go 220/1 and Freeman will go 280/3 on my bench and I will lose and be out of the playoffs. This is how it happens for me this time of year I'm in this boat with DeliciousB and XFlash too, but I think I'm rolling with Ryan over Freeman, primarily because I subscribe to the "dance with the one who brought ya" school of thought. Meaning I can more easily stomach losing with Ryan in my lineup as he has been ALL season, than to lose with him on my bench. I haven't played Freeman at all this year, in fact I only acquired him 2 weeks ago in a trade, shortly after I moved Matt Stafford. What further muddy's the waters for me right now though is that I also own V-Jax & Julio, so I'm looking at a double dip opportunity one way or the other ... be it good or bad this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XFlash Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Excellent point BadFish. It not like we are trying/praying that Ryan will perform well (ala Rex Ryan hoping Sanchez is a great QB). I agree you that if I was to lose, I would be on the level with him starting than losing with Ryan on the bench. That is way we play the game - as the saying goes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsul Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) I also have Ryan and Freeman (have J Jones also) Freeman actualy has more touchdowns this year than Ryann, this did surprise me. I like the fact that Tampa bay is at home while Atlanta is on the road. I just cant get past the lack of produciton Ryann has had Last eight weeks Ryan Freeman Yards TD INT Yards TD INT 249 1 3 328 3 1 Bye week 420 3 0 262 3 0 262 3 0 342 0 0 247 2 0 411 3 1 210 2 0 301 0 5 248 3 2 353 1 1 256 0 0 165 1 0 242 2 1 Average Ryan 297 1.28 1.42 J Freeman 276 2.25 0.50 Average points per game Ryan 14.58 ppg J Freeman 19.50 ppg Hard to believe Edited December 6, 2012 by dougsul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XFlash Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Yup, tough to argue the last 8 weeks. I still got until game time to make a change, but man, this really makes the decision difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I disagree with the Ravens comparison. The Ravens inexplicably throw the ball and fail to get the ball into Rice's hands as much as possible. The Falcons have no interest or incentive to feed Turner as he's nowhere near as good, so their passing ways make more sense. If anything, they should run Turner even less. As for Ryan, for where I drafted him, I can't complain much even with the recent production suckage. I honestly think the Saints game was the result of the short prep week and the Saints' D actually improving over the last few weeks. With the long week, I expect Ryan to throw for 250 and a couple scores this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogansghost Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I disagree with the Ravens comparison. The Ravens inexplicably throw the ball and fail to get the ball into Rice's hands as much as possible. The Falcons have no interest or incentive to feed Turner as he's nowhere near as good, so their passing ways make more sense. If anything, they should run Turner even less. As for Ryan, for where I drafted him, I can't complain much even with the recent production suckage. I honestly think the Saints game was the result of the short prep week and the Saints' D actually improving over the last few weeks. With the long week, I expect Ryan to throw for 250 and a couple scores this weekend. This. (silently clasps his hands in prayer...please, this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XFlash Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 This. (silently clasps his hands in prayer...please, this) Add long TD passes....... got to get the bonus points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJV Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I disagree with the Ravens comparison. The Ravens inexplicably throw the ball and fail to get the ball into Rice's hands as much as possible. The Falcons have no interest or incentive to feed Turner as he's nowhere near as good, so their passing ways make more sense. If anything, they should run Turner even less. As for Ryan, for where I drafted him, I can't complain much even with the recent production suckage. I honestly think the Saints game was the result of the short prep week and the Saints' D actually improving over the last few weeks. With the long week, I expect Ryan to throw for 250 and a couple scores this weekend. From your mouth, to Ryan's ears. Please!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodside Warriors Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I'm benching Matty cold arm. Andrew Luck will be my guy for the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogansghost Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I'm benching Matty cold arm. Andrew Luck will be my guy for the playoffs. Matt Ryan Comiseration thread -- not the I have two great QBs so who really cares thread. I've heard of this concept of having a back-up QB. Maybe some season I'll try it (naw...too much of a WR/RB whore). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 OK, I"m another Ryan/Freeman owner. I'm going with Freeman for the following reasons: 1) Ryan can be turnover prone (note the five picks vs AZ) 2) The ATL o-line can hand out sacks (note the seven vs Car, even though he had a nice game otherwise) 3) Freeman has a friendlier home matchup, and has been hotter lately All this adds up to another possibility...the CAR defense could be a nifty play this week if you just look at sacks and int's. My two cents...for what it's worth I went ahead and started Knowshawn in this league last night, meaning I will have to bench either Murray or Bryce Brown come Sunday. I'm against an opponent who has outscored me almost every week during the regular season. Sometimes you have to take a chance to get to the next round. I'm doing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Matt Ryan Comiseration thread -- not the I have two great QBs so who really cares thread. I've heard of this concept of having a back-up QB. Maybe some season I'll try it (naw...too much of a WR/RB whore). Hey Grogan...loosen up the neck-roll! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I've heard of this concept of having a back-up QB. Maybe some season I'll try it (naw...too much of a WR/RB whore). +1 - I'm hoarding guys I know I'll never play just to keep them off of my opponents' RB/WR needy rosters (tried trading when I could, but the deadline has since passed). Plus, you never know when injury will strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I am playing Freeman over Ryan. My reasoning is this; If Ryan has a good game Freeman won't be that far behind as to make a huge difference. If Ryan tanks Freeman will be way ahead of him in points. Freeman is the safer bet. Ryan tanked against the Redskins and the Saints. Freeman has been pretty predictable against weak defenses. Ryan has been a coin toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 OK, I"m another Ryan/Freeman owner. I'm going with Freeman for the following reasons: 1) Ryan can be turnover prone (note the five picks vs AZ) 2) The ATL o-line can hand out sacks (note the seven vs Car, even though he had a nice game otherwise) 3) Freeman has a friendlier home matchup, and has been hotter lately All this adds up to another possibility...the CAR defense could be a nifty play this week if you just look at sacks and int's. My two cents...for what it's worth I went ahead and started Knowshawn in this league last night, meaning I will have to bench either Murray or Bryce Brown come Sunday. I'm against an opponent who has outscored me almost every week during the regular season. Sometimes you have to take a chance to get to the next round. I'm doing it. I understand the frustrations when Ryan is having off games when people need him most, but it's really just been like 3 games that really skew his stats in a negative direction. Looking at his point totals per each game, and I don't think I'd be nearly as down on his potential to rebound. You are correct on the concerns, but I think they're a bit overstated: 1) Turnover-prone - Ryan is throwing more picks than usual, but more often is NOT turnover prone. The Raiders and Cardinals games accounted for 8 of his 13 INTs on the year, with 5 games with no INTs. 2) Getting sacked - this is probably the biggest predictor of Ryan's performance, as he handles game pressure well, but pass-rush pressure not so much. He can be baited into making poor decisions when he has no time, but as you highlighted, even the Carolina game he still put up great numbers. 3) Freeman - as of the last 2 games, he actually hasn't been any hotter at all. If anything, he's slowed down from his 20+ point games. In fact, in the last 2 games, both he and Ryan scored almsot the exact same, 30 points over 2 games.... Though especially with the Bucs secondary woes, I do agree he's still a safe start. Now let's look at the Falcons next opponents: CAR, NYG, DET, TBB Of course Carolina and the Giants are able to apply the pressure, but the Giants D isn't looking nearly as dominant as last year. Both teams still let up a lot of scores. In fact (not to give away too much paid content, but) the Giants are actually considered a favorable QB matchup per the SoS tool. Thus, unless you think that Ryan won't be able to study and rectify the way he's been letting pass rushes make him make mistakes (note that the Saints did keep the pressure on him all last game, and even though he had a poor game as they leaned on the defense, he did not throw an INT this time), then I would not be terribly worried about Ryan turning it around. I'd be more worried that they win the next 2 and clinch home field in week 15. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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