tazinib1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Since I've mentioned it in a few threads already, has anybody else looked at the offensive skill players coming out next year? God aweful, save for maybe 1-2 at each position. Not for a long time can I ever remember such as bad class of offensive rookies. That being said, take a look at the defensive side of the ball. Wow...love the entire class. If you think that is gonna make GM's mouth's water, wait until you see the talent on the OL. Never..and I mean never, have I seen an OL class so deep and talented as this years class. You will be seeing STARTERS that were drafted in the 3/4 and hell even 5th rounds next year. Yes, I said STARTERS. So for all you high draft pick Dynasty players out there, beware. Unless you are going LB, I'd start to think of shopping that puppy around and getting a bundle of picks or players/cash. Not worth it this year IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It's definitely not a WOW offensive class, but there are some good players out there, and two depending on where they land whom I could argue would be worthy of the #1 pick in a dynasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 It's definitely not a WOW offensive class, but there are some good players out there, and two depending on where they land whom I could argue would be worthy of the #1 pick in a dynasty. Agreed..but after the 1.1, it gets very dicey. Let's see who KC takes at QB and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sounds like someone's trying to justify trading all of his top 2013 dynasty picks away for J-Stew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sounds like someone's trying to justify trading all of his top 2013 dynasty picks away for J-Stew. I wish I'd traded more 1st rounders to make runs this year.... Not a great year for me to have to work Saturdays, because it's probably going to take some real research to find the diamonds in the rough with this class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sounds like someone's trying to justify trading all of his top 2013 dynasty picks away for J-Stew. Don't pass out, but last week I dropped Stew in a re-draft. And you havn't been around much lately, but I had an entire post pretty much giving up on Stewart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) I wish I'd traded more 1st rounders to make runs this year.... Not a great year for me to have to work Saturdays, because it's probably going to take some real research to find the diamonds in the rough with this class. Don't pass out, but last week I dropped Stew in a re-draft. And you havn't been around much lately, but I had an entire post pretty much giving up on Stewart. It's all about opportunity. I mean, Doug Martin was viewed as a solid RB in a pretty weak RB class last season. But look at what he's done.... Don't think anyone could have predicted that. Vick Ballard was a crapshoot and he's startable as a rookie. Russell Wilson, anyone? Mohamed Sanu, Chris Givens, T.Y. Hilton... buncha no-names. Do your homework and you'll find guys.... especially if their situation is favorable. Edited December 10, 2012 by darin3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It's all about opportunity. I mean, Doug Martin was viewed as a solid RB in a pretty weak RB class last season. But look at what he's done.... Don't think anyone could have predicted that. Vick Ballard was a crapshoot and he's startable as a rookie. Russell Wilson, anyone? Mohamed Sanu, Chris Givens, T.Y. Hilton... buncha no-names. Do your homework and you'll find guys.... especially if their situation is favorable. Oh I agree completely, it'll just be more homework, because I haven't found the gems yet. I disagree about just opportunity though. While a good mix of talent and opportunity helps, I'm a big believer in the cream rising to the top... Just earlier this year I asked Packer fans about Randall Cobb and got the response that the situation wasn't good with him as the 3rd-4th look. I got ridiculed for not falling off the Golden Tate bandwagon. But I waited both out because I loved their talent and am now reaping the rewards. Of course just as many busts mixed in there, but talent overcomes situation mroe often than not. You just have to be patient. So unless we're talking top 5 picks and you need an immediate contributor, then I try to look very little at situations which can change very quickly, and focus on who to stash on my taxi squad for when the opportunity may arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) It's all about opportunity. I mean, Doug Martin was viewed as a solid RB in a pretty weak RB class last season. But look at what he's done.... Don't think anyone could have predicted that. Vick Ballard was a crapshoot and he's startable as a rookie. Russell Wilson, anyone? Mohamed Sanu, Chris Givens, T.Y. Hilton... buncha no-names. Do your homework and you'll find guys.... especially if their situation is favorable. Oh I agree 100% I'm just saying, from a real life perspective, this is the year you will see more than 3/4 of the 1st round go to Linemen and defensive players. Those diamonds in the rough will certainly pick up steam in the mid 2nd but again, I can see 4 lineman going in the first 5 picks and maybe only 2 offensive players in the top 10. After that, look out. It will be a lineman/LB/DE frenzy...If for some reason teams in the top 5 fall in love with Bjoern Weaver and Demontre Moore, a stud OL will be there for the Chargers at 1.6 and so help me god, if they pass on the line, I'll storm into the Charger War Room and run around naked. FF wise, yeah. You always find diamonds in the rough and as an IDP Dynasty player, you better do your research next year more so than perhaps any other year in some time. I would rather rack up picks/players/cash for a pick after say 1.4 (depending on how the draft pans out, the combine and all sorts of other variables). I've had a pretty good track record in the draft during my BoTH time here at the Huddle. It's my drunken trades that makes me wanna vomit. ETA: The Chargers no longer have the 1.6 thanks to that damned win. Looks like they are around 1.9 now and OT Jake Mathews will be a HUGH pick. Please do not win any more games Chargers Edited December 10, 2012 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Speaking of "opportunity" Miami -- whoever they take #1 will be a WR..I can't imagine them not doing so. He would be a top 5 Dynasty pick IMO. Probably Keenan Allen out of Cal KC -- they would be crazy if they did not go QB and Geno is the consensus #1 on many sites and football minds alike Arizona -- Matt Barkley is supposedly being targeted by the Cards and would be inserted into the lineup as an opening day starter. Something smells of Matt Leinhart to me here. I've never been a fan of USC QB's..but he'd be worth a top 3 selection. Seahawks -- They need help at WR and both Cordarelle Patterson and DeAndre Hopkins will be there looking them in the face. They should take either or. Baltimore -- Many have them taking whoever the Seahawks leave on the board That leaves TE Tyler Eifert. I've seen some draft mocks having him going to the Giants. I don't see it. They would be better served picking up a CB but it I'm not gonna pretend to know everything about the kid at this point. Beyond that, I can't see another team selecting an offensive skill position. Tavon Austin will be sitting there and may be too much for a team to pass on, but I don't see it. Of course this is what makes the draft so damn fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'd be surprised if two qbs go in top 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'd be surprised if two qbs go in top 5 I wouldn't Tannehill shouldn't have gone top 10 and Weeden should have been a 2nd rounder. Teams push the QBs up out of need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice1 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) I wouldn't Tannehill shouldn't have gone top 10 and Weeden should have been a 2nd rounder. Teams push the QBs up out of need Disagree on these two but I agree teams push up QB's in general. Both of these players are going to be real good and were worthy of their selections. Tannehill in particular has no real weapons but has all the tools. Weeden was marked down by some due to age. Ironically, both of these players have a better completion this season than Luck. They have a ways to go but both are gaining valuable experience and can play at this level. I actually thought Tannehill had a chance to go higher a pick or two. RGIII and Wilson have been amazing. This last QB class was extremely strong. I doubt we see a class this good again for quite a while. This next draft looks pretty bleak from a fantasy perspective. The 49's are going to get a great pick for Smith IMO. Bowe may be the top FA next season. Edited December 11, 2012 by Ice1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Disagree on these two but I agree teams push up QB's in general. Both of these players are going to be real good and were worthy of their selections. Tannehill in particular has no real weapons but has all the tools. Weeden was marked down by some due to age. Ironically, both of these players have a better completion this season than Luck. They have a ways to go but both are gaining valuable experience and can play at this level. I actually thought Tannehill had a chance to go higher a pick or two. RGIII and Wilson have been amazing. This last QB class was extremely strong. I doubt we see a class this good again for quite a while. This next draft looks pretty bleak from a fantasy perspective. The 49's are going to get a great pick for Smith IMO. Bowe may be the top FA next season. It baffles me why people continue to say this without knowing where these guys end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice1 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It baffles me why people continue to say this without knowing where these guys end up. Probably from playing this game for 30 years and analyzing players. This is simply not a very deep draft compared to the last few years IMO. I am sure a few will be very good but I haven't seen anyone singing the praises of this group as it relates to fantasy, at least on the offensive side of the ball. Just an opinion, didn't mean to baffle you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 OK, I lied earlier, opportunity baits me in too, but unless it's a stud with a great opportunity, nothing is guaranteed with opportunity just because the starter sucks or there's an opening. It should be weighed, but talent evaluation always wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) Probably from playing this game for 30 years and analyzing players. This is simply not a very deep draft compared to the last few years IMO. I am sure a few will be very good but I haven't seen anyone singing the praises of this group as it relates to fantasy, at least on the offensive side of the ball. Just an opinion, didn't mean to baffle you. I'll repeat, and will type extra slow for you, since it seems like there's a lot of baffling going on here. Who cares if it's a "deep draft"? It's MY opinion that you can't make a concrete determination on the FANTASY impact of a draft class until AFTER the draft. That's MY opinion, and please let me know if you are still baffled by others' opinions. Maybe I can try crayons or smoke signals. Oh, and 30 years of fantasy football? That's rich. Edited December 11, 2012 by darin3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 OK, I lied earlier, opportunity baits me in too, but unless it's a stud with a great opportunity, nothing is guaranteed with opportunity just because the starter sucks or there's an opening. It should be weighed, but talent evaluation always wins. For the record, I never said anything was guaranteed based on opportunity. But it certainly doesn't help. I mean, look at Justin Blackmon. Stud in college, drafted high, given a great opportunity... sure, his QB sucking definitely didn't help his growth, but still. Dude has been slow-going. On the flip side, look at T.Y. Hilton. Virtually unknown, decent opportunity, but has made the most of it. And finally, I most definitely don't discount pure talent. That said, I'll stand by my opinion that it's foolish to equate a shallow NFL draft class with a poor draft class in terms of fantasy potential. Not gonna beat up Barbaro on this one, so... done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice1 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) I'll repeat, and will type extra slow for you, since it seems like there's a lot of baffling going on here. Who cares if it's a "deep draft"? It's MY opinion that you can't make a concrete determination on the FANTASY impact of a draft class until AFTER the draft. That's MY opinion, and please let me know if you are still baffled by others' opinions. Maybe I can try crayons or smoke signals. Oh, and 30 years of fantasy football? That's rich. No need to type slow junior, I may be older but I can still read fast. And yes I am in a 14 team BML league that we just celebrated our 30th anniversary. This game has been around a long time. I get you may think this draft is deep in fantasy talent and situation means everything but in reality, a lack of quality players makes it very hard to impact fantasy scoring so many will be moving out of the early picks this year. IDP looks a little better at several positions but there is not a first round NFL quality RB in this group. There are no Green, Jones, Richardson, Martin, Luck, RGIII types in this draft like the last couple. Grab all the first rounders you can but just know you might be real disappointed compared to the last few drafts. Good Luck and I hope you age gracefully! PS, Hilton was not unknown. I own him in 4 leagues. He was a diamond in the rough that many knew about so study up! Edited December 11, 2012 by Ice1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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