stethant Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Anybody else wondering if Adrian Peterson's miraculous comeback is a bit too good to be true? There are three possibilities here: 1. His knee injury was not as severe as originally reported, facilitating a better-than-expected rehab. 2. His knee injury was correctly reported and dude just happens to be the one human in the history of humans to come back in 9 months better than before the injury. 3. He had help in the form of PEDs. I got burned with MLB, Sosa, and McGuire and vowed never again to be so naive. I can't even watch cycling anymore it's such a doped out joke. AP seems like one of the better guys in the league but I'm really starting to wonder. To be clear, I have absolutely no knowledge of his situation whatsoever. I just think this warrants more discussion than it's currently getting - which is none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 It gets none because none is warranted. It's only when people that can't except the fact that he worked his freaken arse off, start to doubt he did it cleanly, do people start discussing it. Just because there is a history of cheaters in sports, does not warrant a witch hunt every time somebody does something extraordinary. I shudder at the thought of Bo Jackson coming up in the age of steroids as his name too, would have been pummeled with doubt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 technology, evolution of training techniques, and his dna. don't know your age, but jerry rice made a very speedy recovery from a nasty injury (by sapp). he got himself "game ready" w/in three months when it was expected to take 4-6. came back..played fine, but reinjured it in his comeback game. actually caught a td on the play that he reinjured it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 It gets none because none is warranted. It's only when people that can't except the fact that he worked his freaken arse off, start to doubt he did it cleanly, do people start discussing it. Just because there is a history of cheaters in sports, does not warrant a witch hunt every time somebody does something extraordinary. I shudder at the thought of Bo Jackson coming up in the age of steroids as his name too, would have been pummeled with doubt. Taz oftentimes spews poo , but this is totally spot on. As a Bear and Longhorn fan, I'm wired to hate AP, but as a football fan and now a resident of Minneapolis, I can't help but be in awe and applaud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) If by PEDs you mean Gina Gibiatti, sign me up... Edited December 28, 2012 by Zooty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 It is a possibility, no matter how big of an amazing, feel-good comeback story it is. No one talks about HGH in the NFL since they don't test for it. I wouldn't be surprised if half the league uses it, to be perfectly honest. Personally I think he's a quick healer(the opposite of Tender-Feet DMC) and worked his arse off rehabilitating it. But again, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little unnatural boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Didn't an ACL used to be a career-ending injury (I know it still can be, but thought it used to be truly career-ending). Then just a few years ago it took another year on top of the year of rehab for guys to get back to form. Technology, conditioning and rehab all continue to just get better and better, clearly shrinking rehab time. It isn't like AP is the only one healing and coming back quicker. Welker did a few years back, Charles did it in a little less than a year also... And no one is denying that AP is built like a thoroughbred, so it's not that big of a stretch that he can even do knee-healing better than everyone else. That said, who knows... I think a blind-eye may be turned more in the NFL than baseball on PEDs, because it doesn't destroy the purity of it so much.... Well, until of course you get to a situation of guys so big, strong, fast that it causes the commish to water the game down into glorified flag football.... So maybe PED use does make a lot of sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awahl63 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Anybody here that has played collegiate or even extremely competitive HS football knows the prevalence of PED's. You would be silly to think that the vast majority of NFL players aren't taking anything "performance enhancing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joessfl Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 When you all are referring to "Performance Enhancing" are you referring to Viagra? Cause my wife is liking my Peterson-esque moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Look at his stats and he didn't do much in his first games back. Compare the second half to the first and see if you notice a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Performance enhancing drugs don't help you become more patient for holes to open up. They don't help you see better downfield either. He's a better runner this year than he ever has been. That includes his rookie year when he broke plenty of long runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Performance enhancing drugs don't help you become more patient for holes to open up. They don't help you see better downfield either. He's a better runner this year than he ever has been. That includes his rookie year when he broke plenty of long runs. And according to local chit-chat, the downfield blocking has been superior this year, turning 8-10 yard gains into those huge 50+ jobbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Anybody else wondering if Adrian Peterson's miraculous comeback is a bit too good to be true? There are three possibilities here: 3. He had help in the form of PEDs. What if he only used HGH/steroids to help his early rehab? Or in other words, he was using PEDs but for their actual purpose, healing, as opposed to using them during the season to enhance performance? Would that be allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) What if he only used HGH/steroids to help his early rehab? Or in other words, he was using PEDs but for their actual purpose, healing, as opposed to using them during the season to enhance performance? Would that be allowed? Interesting question. I'm not gonna pretend I know the in's and out's of the drug policy but this proposes a warranted question. Are NFL players allowed to use banned substances when healing from a serious injury??? I see no reason why they would not be allowed to like every other human being on the planet. In fact I would be shocked if they were not, especially if they were on the IR. Now if they were, I'm sure it would be strictly monitored as to not be abused after the initial healing process has run its course. I have a personal example of this. When I was in the Navy, I had what was diagnosed as Temporal Arteritis. My headaches were unbearable so I was prescribed steroids to thin out the blood in my temporal artery. Steroids are considered an illegal drug by the military unless prescribed by a naval doctor. You would be amazed how many people approached me when it became known I had prescription steroids lol. I never sold or gave them away, although it was very tempting and would have been pretty lucrative. I gained 30 pounds and ate like a damned horse. I'm only bringing this up cause there are situations that require medical treaments involving banned substances in order for the patient to make the best recovery possible. Again, I would be shocked if the NFL was that ignorant as to deny players any form of legal treatment. I would be equally shocked if Joe Public used that as ammo against a player that was following medical and NFL rules for healing/treatment/recovery. Edited December 30, 2012 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Watch out Usain Bolt Edited December 30, 2012 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 He is a rare speciman; half man, half beast. After Surgery, he set opening day as his goal to be ready (9 months). During OTA's, he was running wind sprints. Although, he was held out of preseason games, he still said he would be ready for opening day. He should be recognized as team MVP. Without him, the Vikings would be lucky to have won 3 games. I just wish I would have drafted him in some of my leagues. He will be at the top of the draft boards next year. MVPeterson!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaby Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Great athlete and an excellent sprinter back in h.s., but he'd obviously have no prayer in 2016 as a 30+ year old former NFL RB against elite sprinters, particularly in the 400m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Great athlete and an excellent sprinter back in h.s., but he'd obviously have no prayer in 2016 as a 30+ year old former NFL RB against elite sprinters, particularly in the 400m. Maybe he could join the bobsled team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogansghost Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Would PEDs accelerate the healing of ligaments? I thought they mostly helped muscle tissue heal faster - but once you tear an MCL / ACL I didn't think drugs would do much to fix that. So many athletes have taken PEDs in the past that it's tough not to be cynical - but I think his rapid return probably reflects improvements in the surgery and rehab. As well as improvements to the OL. I'm wondering what he'll be like next year. Stronger because he's had even more time to heal. About the same. Or he'll be worse off because of wear and tear from this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallagorilla Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 im sure he'll take some more ped's and run for 2500 yards next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Until there is evidence to prove otherwise, I will credit AP's excellence on the field this season to him being a physical freak with phenominal ability/drive as well as the marvels of modern sports medicine and training. Strong evidence in his favor, IMO, is he has played extremely hard and been elite pretty much from the start. Its not like he was oft-injured/half-assed and suddenly is all world. He was a beast pre-injury and is a beast afterward. Only thing I've seen that has changed (like MV said) is he may have learned to be a more patient RB waiting for/identifying holes rather than just go go go. And I would agree there is improved downfield blocking as well as D3 mentioned, too. Now, with that said, I dont blame people for questioning whether or not he had more "help" than we know of. History (particularly, recently) has shown us over and over that athletes can and do take illegal advantage of the marvels of modern chemistry to gain an edge. And when an athlete dominates in a hyper-competitive sport, I think its fair to wonder whether they have used PEDs (particularly, if said athlete is seemingly defying the laws of the human body in the process). So I have no problem with people asking the question. If Adrian is indeed clean and has earned everything through ability/hard work, I would hope he would actually take it as a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Maybe he could join the bobsled team? Don't bring me down Bruce! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Until there is evidence to prove otherwise, I will credit AP's excellence on the field this season to him being a physical freak with phenominal ability/drive as well as the marvels of modern sports medicine and training. Strong evidence in his favor, IMO, is he has played extremely hard and been elite pretty much from the start. Its not like he was oft-injured/half-assed and suddenly is all world. He was a beast pre-injury and is a beast afterward. Only thing I've seen that has changed (like MV said) is he may have learned to be a more patient RB waiting for/identifying holes rather than just go go go. And I would agree there is improved downfield blocking as well as D3 mentioned, too. Now, with that said, I dont blame people for questioning whether or not he had more "help" than we know of. History (particularly, recently) has shown us over and over that athletes can and do take illegal advantage of the marvels of modern chemistry to gain an edge. And when an athlete dominates in a hyper-competitive sport, I think its fair to wonder whether they have used PEDs (particularly, if said athlete is seemingly defying the laws of the human body in the process). So I have no problem with people asking the question. If Adrian is indeed clean and has earned everything through ability/hard work, I would hope he would actually take it as a compliment. Excellent post, agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Since nobody thinks Manning or Brady cheats to perform, the questioning of "How does Adrian do this?" just underscores the fact that Peterson should be the league MVP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 And according to local chit-chat, the downfield blocking has been superior this year, turning 8-10 yard gains into those huge 50+ jobbers. At least Viking receivers were good for something this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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