RILETT Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) Thought I would post a early re-draft, FFPC scoring rules http://football9.myf...ns?L=32824&O=17 Edited June 5, 2013 by RILETT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Interesting scoring - no reception points other than TE's get 1.5? Taking Graham in the first round makes a little more sense I guess though even last year the best TE in that scoring was Witten as #26 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Interesting scoring - no reception points other than TE's get 1.5? Taking Graham in the first round makes a little more sense I guess though even last year the best TE in that scoring was Witten as #26 overall. It has the 1 pt. per reception for other positions at the top of the scoring rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 why is it up there all separate? Now I really do not understand taking Graham in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILETT Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 You have him projected at 95 1200 and 10. At 1.5 per rec not sure what you don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) probably because its a 2RB start league? But you can start up to 3 TE's. interesting Edited June 5, 2013 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Oh I can see him going in the second round. I just don't see him as a first rounder.In that scoring he was the #31 scorer overall last year and the #3 TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILETT Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 Its not a uncommon reaction. When the WCOFF folded I went to the FFPC to play high stakes fantasy, they have the same scoring rules with the 2 flex. I thought TE,s were being way overvalued until the year played out and saw how valuable they are. I think you have to have played in this format to understand. Just ask Henry Muto he will set you straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILETT Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 Oh I can see him going in the second round. I just don't see him as a first rounder.In that scoring he was the #31 scorer overall last year and the #3 TE. That was last year, and all 3 of the projected top TE's were injured in some form or the other. Grahams wrist injury limited him most of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Its not a uncommon reaction. When the WCOFF folded I went to the FFPC to play high stakes fantasy, they have the same scoring rules with the 2 flex. I thought TE,s were being way overvalued until the year played out and saw how valuable they are. I think you have to have played in this format to understand. Just ask Henry Muto he will set you straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Its not a uncommon reaction. When the WCOFF folded I went to the FFPC to play high stakes fantasy, they have the same scoring rules with the 2 flex. I thought TE,s were being way overvalued until the year played out and saw how valuable they are. I think you have to have played in this format to understand. Just ask Henry Muto he will set you straight. As a matter of fact, I play in the FFPC every year and last season had a team in a league with Muto. And in that league I drafted Graham with the 1.08 and even had Witten in the 6th round there. I did well but did not win that league. I wanted to see what would happen with a first round TE. And Graham was overvalued with my pick. Here is the thing - 2011 was an extreme year for passing. In it we saw Gronkowski and Graham both have monster years. They have done much less in their other two seasons. Same thing for Hernandez. I'm not saying that taking an early TE is not advantageous, but I do not think they merit a first round grade in any scoring system I have seen. You have Witten and Gonzo at the top the last two years but both are old. The three young guns - Hernandez, Gronk and Graham all have one great year and then settled down last season. There has only been one year in history where a TE deserved a first round grade IMO and that was in the freakish 2011 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 anybody that drafts Gronk/Hernandez in a dynasty is a dumb ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILETT Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 As a matter of fact, I play in the FFPC every year and last season had a team in a league with Muto. And in that league I drafted Graham with the 1.08 and even had Witten in the 6th round there. I did well but did not win that league. I wanted to see what would happen with a first round TE. And Graham was overvalued with my pick. Here is the thing - 2011 was an extreme year for passing. In it we saw Gronkowski and Graham both have monster years. They have done much less in their other two seasons. Same thing for Hernandez. I'm not saying that taking an early TE is not advantageous, but I do not think they merit a first round grade in any scoring system I have seen. You have Witten and Gonzo at the top the last two years but both are old. The three young guns - Hernandez, Gronk and Graham all have one great year and then settled down last season. There has only been one year in history where a TE deserved a first round grade IMO and that was in the freakish 2011 season. Fair enough, even though I don't think either Graham or Gronkowski put up those numbers because of a extreme year of passing. But they have not been able to stay healthy enough the last 2 years to prove it was not a fluke either. You just sounded real surprised and if you have played in the FFPC I wouldn't think you would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 It is because I played in the FFPC that I was surprised because I saw everyone over reacting to 2011 last year. And I did not think people would do so this year knowing that there has only been one year of those TE stats. Sure, they were injured last year. Looks like Gronk and Hernandez will be injury concerns this year probably. Both Witten and Gonzo are bigger risks from their age. Graham is my #1 TE without any reservation but the Saints want to run more (again) and overall, uncharacteristically huge years are not the start of a career long trend, they are just uncharacteristically huge years. Last year the heated debate we had last summer was why wouldn't improve on his 5239 yards. Things have a way of settling down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Steven Jackson at pick 16 is baffling to me, to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 If it weren't for the injury factor, I think both Graham and Gronk would have done exactly what was expected of them as 1st-round FFPC picks. We picked Gronk in the 1st, and he was GREAT...until he got injured. It's a matter of whether somebody agrees with your projection of Graham; if they do, he probably deserves to be a first-rounder again this year (in the 1.5 PPR format). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 anybody that drafts Gronk/Hernandez in a dynasty is a dumb ass. I drafted both in my FFPC dynasty startup last year. I traded for Gronk while already owning Hernandez in my local dynasty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I have done 3 FFPC $77 draft masters drafts so far this year. Graham went in 1st round of all 3 (9,10,11). Gronk's stock is falling fast because of the injury went in the mid 2nd in my 1st draft and at 3.12 in my last. I took Hernandez in all 3 drafts and Witten in 1 of them. In my 1st draft I went Witten at 2.10 and Hernandez at 3.3. In my 2nd draft I took Hernandez at 3.6, In my 3rd draft I took Hernandez at 2.7 (blame Relish!). Gronk is a huge wildcard this year especially when drafting right now. Looks like a clear cut top 5 TE's this year if you miss out on them you wait...but not too long in the FFPC as the other guys start coming off in the 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) As a matter of fact, I play in the FFPC every year and last season had a team in a league with Muto. And in that league I drafted Graham with the 1.08. I never even realized that was you I guess that happens when your in 50 leagues. That is the league that aggravated me so much. We played opening day and you beat me 155-147 you had a great draft. Graham, Julio, Martin, Bush, Romo, Witten to start along with Luck and Bennett later on. I finished that league #1 scoring team 1606 pts and finished tied for the best record at 7-4 and was the #1 seed in the playoffs I won my opening round 164-108 and I played the LOWEST scoring team of our league in the Championship game he only had 1314 pts I outscored him by nearly 300 pts in the 11 week regular season! That was the 1 week my team tanked and I lost 126-110. Not sure what happened to your team DMD because I keep track of every leagu I play in on a spreadsheet and you didn't finish in the playoffs I only log the playoff teams. This team ended up pretty good for me despite the horrible championship game loss I finished 79 out of 4,080 teams scoring 165, 175, 148 for the 3 overall playoff weeks to finish just inside the top 80 cut to get $1,000 on top of my $500 2nd place league finish not bad $1,500. This was my 2nd best FPC team last year I finished 32nd place with another team. At least I showed well in the 1 league I played with you DMD...I am shocked your team with that draft did not make playoffs. Edited June 12, 2013 by Henry Muto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I drafted both in my FFPC dynasty startup last year. I traded for Gronk while already owning Hernandez in my local dynasty... Should have been clearer on my drunken tirade lol. I meant to say...oh hell I don't know what I meant to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It is because I played in the FFPC that I was surprised because I saw everyone over reacting to 2011 last year...Things have a way of settling down. DMD, I'm still curious how you reconcile this with your own projection of Graham. If you stand by your projected stat line, don't you think that justifies a first-round pick in this scoring format? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I am guessing it is a combination of projection plus risk factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 DMD, I'm still curious how you reconcile this with your own projection of Graham. If you stand by your projected stat line, don't you think that justifies a first-round pick in this scoring format? Just curious. Graham is the only TE that I think has huge upside this year. And in that scoring I would not have a problem with him going in the second round. I have never seen a TE that justified a first round grade. I have seen TE's that have delivered with as good as a first round value but they were never first round grades going in. I have never seen a first round grade going in for a TE deliver that much value. I understand why someone would do it. They put both Graham and Gronk in the first round in FFPC all the time last year and even I did it once to see what would happen. It's just that whenever a TE comes off a monster season, he doesn't follow it up with a similarly big year. May be a really good year, but not as good as the previous. Graham is - to me anyway - a strange case because he had one monster season and everyone was all over him last year taking him very high. And then he did not deliver quite that well. My projection and ranking of Graham says that I like him not only as #1 but #1 by a big margin over all others. But that still doesn't make him a first rounder in my book. If you want a TE, you can do no better than Graham. Will he perform at a level that justifies a first round grade also considering what you are giving up by taking him in the first? Not so sure. I had a great team in FFPC and he was my #1 pick. But it did not win the league. I won't take him in the first this year. I would take him in the second. And right now, I would take no other TE in the second round there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 This just seems like a no-brainer to me, unless you're including some kind of "confidence level" element in your rankings. I.e., you project him for 320 points, but since he's a TE, you're only about 60% confident he'll reach that production; whereas if you project LeSean McCoy for 310 points, you are more like 80% confident he'll reach that (since he's a running back). Lemme ask a different question, then...if it were guaranteed that he would score 320 points, would you take him in the first round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 To be honest, I would evaluate the situation before I drafted and it may be different in late August than mid-June. And that is not only what I believe to be about his projection but also all others when I go to pick and how I feel that position stacks up against others and the impact to my later picks. It depends on who is available when I pick and if I think that my optimal team comes by taking a TE in the first I will. I have done it before. But I did not like how it shook out last year when I did it. When projections separate two players by 10 points that means I consider them as equals. Even I would never bank on a year long projection before accurate to a 97% level by the example. There are many considerations to picking a player aside from a numerical projection. If I were guaranteed that he would score 320 points, I would probably take him (not doing the math on what I am giving up) because there are no guarantees. The only reason I would take a TE in the first round is because I drafted late in the round and he had better give me a huge advantage at the position. It did not last year. If I drafted 10, 11 or 12, I would at least consider it in that scoring but I bet I would try to wait until the second to get him or wait and grab someone else later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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