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Auction Keeper League


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Our 12-team league is considering a switch to keeper. We auction draft with $200 and free agency is with a $100 FAAB budget.

 

Here is the proposed keeper structure:

 

Each team can keep as many players as they wish from the previous year, with a catch. The cost to keep a player is $10 plus the value of that player from the previous year. For example, if a player is drafted for $21 the team has exclusive rights to that player the following season for $31.

 

The value of free agent acquisitions is the FAAB price divided by 5. For example:

 

$0 FAAB FA can be kept for $10

$1-5 FAAB FA can be kept for $11

$6-10 FAAB FA can be kept for $12

 

Only players on a team's week 16 roster are eligible to be kept (no free agency stacking during the off-season).

 

If the same team dropping a player picks that player back up again, value does not go to the FA value unless the acquired player has been a FA for at least 7 days. This rule is only in place to prevent the person with the highest FAAB budget from using their FAAB to drop and immediately pick up a stud with the intent on reducing the keeper cost.

 

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

 

P.S. Probably not relevant, but if anyone is curious, we use standard non-ppr scoring, 6pt TD passes.

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If the same team dropping a player picks that player back up again, value does not go to the FA value unless the acquired player has been a FA for at least 7 days. This rule is only in place to prevent the person with the highest FAAB budget from using their FAAB to drop and immediately pick up a stud with the intent on reducing the keeper cost.

 

 

Why? If the other 11 owners are idiotic enough to allow this, that's their faults. Everyone's going to have the same shot at him, if he gets through cheap good for the guy who got him. How often do you do waiver runs?

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Why? If the other 11 owners are idiotic enough to allow this, that's their faults. Everyone's going to have the same shot at him, if he gets through cheap good for the guy who got him. How often do you do waiver runs?

 

 

Waivers are processed Wed, Thurs, Sat and Sun. The point is, if someone has the most free agent acquisition budget left, the other 11 owners have no way to stop it.

 

Example:

The owner of AP picked him up in the draft for $65. If that owner were to keep him the following season it would cost $75. The season is winding down and the AP team has the most free agent acquisition budget left. The next highest team has $39.

 

The owner could drop AP at the beginning of the week and immediate place a $40 claim on AP. No other team would have the budget to stop this from processing. The AP owner wouldn't even have to keep AP out of the lineup for a week to pull this off. Using the free agent acquisition price would allow that team to keep AP the next year for only $18, $57 cheaper than it should be.

 

 

This rule would only come into play if someone is gaming the system to decrease a player's keeper cost. If it is a legitimate FA acquisition, there shouldn't be any effect.

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So why not just have the same budget between auction and FAAB? AP won't go for $80, he'll go for $40, and his FAAB money is a legit comparison to draft value now. Keeper value becomes the same for both - price + $10. I have been in an auction FAAB keeper for 14 years and this hasn't ever been an issue in that league. I don't understand that 1/5 thing anyway - with a $100 budget the max anyone will pay is what, $80 for when Alfred Morris breaks out? That's still only an $16 + 10 = $26 keeper slot - and most bids will be under $10 bucks so a $12 keeper.

 

You could also just set the rule such that the player can't be picked up in the same week - if you're on MFL designate all dropped players with a 5 day waiver lock.

 

Gaming the system is half of what makes an auction/FAAB system fun. Perhaps not to the extent of your example, but fantasy owners LOVE getting bargains. We LOVE having Lamar Miller as a $1 keeper. We LOVE to rosterbate to the idea of keeping LeSean McCoy for $14 even though we don't really like the guy - for that price, you just HAVE to see what you can get.

 

I just think it's a bad thing to penalize someone for making an astute decision - if someone dropped Jennings last year and Joe was smart enough to toss a few bucks at him just in case, Joe should be rewarded for that.

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I agree with everything you said about the cheap keepers through FA. That rule only would only come into effect if the same team drops and picks up the same player in the same week.

 

 

Ok now that's very different and wasn't part of the original post. I'd still suggest modifying the keeper prices and budget to align with drafted players though.

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Your rules are fine if that;s how your owners like it.

 

 

I do agree with flemingd though that no real reason to give a discount on the FA pick up cost to keep. Keep everything valued the same.

 

Also, one thought regarding the dropping/picking up a player - a couple options, as flemingd suggests, is to lock the player until the following week, or, as you have multiple runs per week, just state that a player can;t be picked up by the team that drops him until he has gone through one waiver run. So, for example, if AP is dropped on Tuesday, the owner dropping him can not pick him up during the Wednesday run. If he is not bid on for the Wednesday run, then the owner could bid on him for the Thursday run. Some rule would have to be implemented to say a player must be dropped X hours before the waiver run for it to count, so you don;t get an owner dropping a player 2 minutes before a waiver run to game the system.

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Thank you for the input guys. Looks like the league is steering away from allowing FAs to be kept. Only players rostered from draft through the full season are eligible. I prefer FAs to be eligible, but c'est la vie.

 

The reason we were originally discounting FAs is the apples to oranges valuations between FAAB prices and draft prices.

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Do you maintain a salary cap through the season? It could alleviate this and be a decent middle ground between those that are concerned about the difference in the auction prices and the FA dollars and those that would actually like to be able to keep their players.

 

Basically, just eliminate the FA dollars. You have a salary cap of $200. Owners can bid what they want on free agents, but they have to clear the cap space in order to get the player. If your current roster has used up $190 of your space and you bid $20 and win a free agent, you then have to cut a $10+ player from your roster to make room for the free agent (or make a trade that nets you the cap room).

 

With that in place, all salaries are based off of the same pool, so there is no concern about the difference in "auction" and "free agent" dollars, so you can work the same keeper rules for all players. Additionally, you no longer have the concern about an owner dropping a high paid stud and reacquiring them cheaply, as technically everyone has the same amount of cap space to bid on anyone.

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