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Riley Cooper Career Suicide


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Riley Cooper should pack his locker and keep his head on a swivel for this. I have always had a problem with the N word. Problem is we as black people are JUST as guilty of keeping the word alive as those that use it maliciously. There is NO place for the word period. It's not a word to be used as a greeting, a slur or anything else for that matter. I don't blame those who argue that the word is taboo for whites but used as an endearing term among blacks.

 

The word has no place in our society and looking back to history our grandparents died over that word and defended their dignity with their lives. There is no way in hell you justify saying to a friend "what up my N" then getting bent out of shape when a white guys uses it to describe blacks. The word should just die period and not be used by anyone.

 

Ngrs were hung, beaten, shackled, chained, bought and sold. I ask you, who would want to be associated with that? I find it sickening that we would even think to call a man a Ngr whether in jest or in anger.

 

The sad thing is how ignorant many of us minorities are and can be that we would call each other the same word that is used to degrade us and dehumanize us in the past. That is the great atrocity. It's as if we as blacks have no more self respect then to dehumanize each other by using the very tactic used against us. It would be like Germans greeting each other by saying "What up my Nazi". You don't see whites walking up to each other saying " what up my Cracker" or Japanese "what up my slanty eyed fortune cookie eaten mother fkr" or Chinese "what up my Cink".

 

No you don't see that. Only some ignorant culture that somehow thinks by using it all the time in songs, greetings and daily dialog, somehow takes the power from the word. Well I have news for you. Ask Riley Cooper if the power has somehow been removed. Stand up in congress and use the word and see what happens.

 

Fact is we as Black Men can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand use the word in daily dialog then get all bent out of shape when someone else uses the word in anger or another manner in which you don't approve. Fact is the word should DIE.

 

The word should die like the past hatred it invoked and the discriminatory behaviour we fight so hard to overcome.

 

Blacks were once viewed as 3/5 of a human being. Thus the word "ngr" was used in short to portray that very concept. It was a way of saying in short, you dog, you ignorant being, you unworthy filth. So in essence the word encapsulated in one fail swoop, the offenses of hundreds of years. Yet somehow in black culture, we find a way to chose when we are offended by the same word.

 

You CAN'T justify it's use, NOT in casual conversation, NOT is greeting your fellow man, NOT in music, and most certainly not when it is use in a discriminatory fashion.

 

So I personally hold myself and my race personally responsible for it's use. I was once guilty of using it when I was young. I have since come to realize the ignorance in it. Until we all realize that the word has no place in our society PERIOD, we will continue to dodge hypocrisy bullets as a race.

 

Everytime we use the word among blacks two things happen. One the white race in the backs of their minds point to it as a sure sign of our ignorance and two, we further prove to ourselves as a race that we are not worthy of respect because we don't have any respect for each other as a fellow black man.

 

You could say the greatest trick the racist ever pulled was getting us as blacks to call each other the very thing they came up with to degrade us.

 

I am NO ngr, and never will be. I am a black man and will not be addressed as a dog, 3/5 of a human being, or anything else that takes away or reminds me of the past discrimination. You will call me by my name if your my friend or call me an SOB if you're my enemy. Until we decide as a society that the word should die period there will be no peace in it or with it's use. THAT is a FACT, like it or not.!

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why get so worked up over a word? It only has a meaning if you give it one. People should be thick-skinned enough to move along with their lives and not get worked up over vocabulary. JMHO

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why get so worked up over a word? It only has a meaning if you give it one. People should be thick-skinned enough to move along with their lives and not get worked up over vocabulary. JMHO

 

 

I totally agree with you but I have become angry over the frivolous use and how somewhere it became common to address one another with it. I can't listen to a song without is being used throughout the lyrics. It just makes me sick now that I understand what has become of it that's all.

 

Just wish we would all wise up and just let the word die.

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Blacks were once viewed as 4/5 of a human being.

 

 

Not to be a history Nazi, but I think you're referring to the "Three-Fifths Compromise" in which 3/5th of the slave population would be counted for representation purposes in the House of Representatives. On the plus side, the Constitution does refer to those counted in that was as "three fifths of all other persons"--so at least they were considered to be persons.

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I totally agree with you but I have become angry over the frivolous use and how somewhere it became common to address one another with it. I can't listen to a song without is being used throughout the lyrics. It just makes me sick now that I understand what has become of it that's all.

 

Just wish we would all wise up and just let the word die.

 

Im with you there

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why get so worked up over a word?

 

 

I tend to think of it in much the same way I think of the "f" word and other such "bad" words. It's just a word, a collection of letters, translated as phonemes. There is no such thing as a "bad" word. It's the thoughts behind it that are bad. Expressing those thoughts may be inappropriate in some circumstances--even many circumstances--but it's not the word's fault.

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I tend to think of it in much the same way I think of the "f" word and other such "bad" words. It's just a word, a collection of letters, translated as phonemes. There is no such thing as a "bad" word. It's the thoughts behind it that are bad. Expressing those thoughts may be inappropriate in some circumstances--even many circumstances--but it's not the word's fault.

 

so your fine then with rappers using it in their songs then because the thoughts behind it when the use it are not mean, but say when Cooper used it he used it hatefully?

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so your fine then with rappers using it in their songs then because the thoughts behind it when the use it are not mean, but say when Cooper used it he used it hatefully?

 

 

Well, I'm all for freedom of speech, so if that's the kind of music one wants to make, and if that's the kind of music one wants to buy, then I'm glad they have the freedom to do so. But yes, obviously the double standard being discussed here is the culture in which it's ok to use the same word as a friendly greeting from some and as a hateful insult from others. Clearly, it's not the letters in the word, or the sounds you make when you pronounce the word that inspire one feeling or the other--it's the thoughts encoded in and decoded from the word that matter.

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so your fine then with rappers using it in their songs then because the thoughts behind it when the use it are not mean, but say when Cooper used it he used it hatefully?

 

 

It's not the word, it's the connotation. Words are completely arbitrary and meaningless in themselves.

 

So when it's used as an endearing term by members of that group, it shouldn't really matter, but when it's used to express hate, then clearly that connotation attaches itself to the word... I do also get what Cowboyz is saying that they shouldn't even try to flip it into a postive term, given the hateful history it represents. But it's not the word that matters, it's what is meant when it's said.

 

There was actually a segment on Tosh.0 where he used completely made up terms like "Sppon face", but used them in an offensive way to see if it offended people of different groups, and it did in many cases, not because of the words, but the way it was used to imply an insult.

 

On a related note, I cannot stand the overuse of the term "racist" to include even innocent jokes and commentary. It should be reserved for truly hateful speech, regardless of what terms they're using to do it.

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why get so worked up over a word? It only has a meaning if you give it one. People should be thick-skinned enough to move along with their lives and not get worked up over vocabulary. JMHO

 

 

I agree. People are bored and this fake rage stuff make popular culture such a drag these days. Find something better to do with your time than to obsess over a word.

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I agree. People are bored and this fake rage stuff make popular culture such a drag these days. Find something better to do with your time than to obsess over a word.

 

 

Wow, a Saints fan and Christian Bale fan, you must be a real winner...

 

See, most people would be offended just by this internet stranger saying that, then you add in a long history of slavery and systematic oppression that hasn't completely gone away, and maybe you can see why it's more than just a word to them.

 

You're both correct that words are meaningless in themselves, but the meaning that's attached to them (in this case clearly meant to be hateful) is what matters. I'm as non-PC as it gets, but I can guarantee you you'd feel differently if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

Anyways, enough troll feeding for the night (or at least I hope you're trolling and not that ignorant).

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I understand your view and respect it Cowboyz.

 

Being in Detroit you take up the lingo of the city. and here it is used as the same way the word "dude" is used in other places. of course there is no r at the end of it. no matter the color , everyone uses it.

 

I feel the same about that word as any other cuss word. it makes you sound ghetto when screaming it in public.

 

At some point Americans of all races need to start thinking of the children. we blame many things instead of our own parenting when something goes wrong. both aisles conservative/democrat or any other party need to start addressing this and stop blaming objects for our lack of parenting in todays world.

 

Edit: the word point was spelled wrong.

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Riley Cooper should pack his locker and keep his head on a swivel for this. I have always had a problem with the N word. Problem is we as black people are JUST as guilty of keeping the word alive as those that use it maliciously. There is NO place for the word period. It's not a word to be used as a greeting, a slur or anything else for that matter. I don't blame those who argue that the word is taboo for whites but used as an endearing term among blacks.

 

The word has no place in our society and looking back to history our grandparents died over that word and defended their dignity with their lives. There is no way in hell you justify saying to a friend "what up my N" then getting bent out of shape when a white guys uses it to describe blacks. The word should just die period and not be used by anyone.

 

Ngrs were hung, beaten, shackled, chained, bought and sold. I ask you, who would want to be associated with that? I find it sickening that we would even think to call a man a Ngr whether in jest or in anger.

 

The sad thing is how ignorant many of us minorities are and can be that we would call each other the same word that is used to degrade us and dehumanize us in the past. That is the great atrocity. It's as if we as blacks have no more self respect then to dehumanize each other by using the very tactic used against us. It would be like Germans greeting each other by saying "What up my Nazi". You don't see whites walking up to each other saying " what up my Cracker" or Japanese "what up my slanty eyed fortune cookie eaten mother fkr" or Chinese "what up my Cink".

 

No you don't see that. Only some ignorant culture that somehow thinks by using it all the time in songs, greetings and daily dialog, somehow takes the power from the word. Well I have news for you. Ask Riley Cooper if the power has somehow been removed. Stand up in congress and use the word and see what happens.

 

Fact is we as Black Men can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand use the word in daily dialog then get all bent out of shape when someone else uses the word in anger or another manner in which you don't approve. Fact is the word should DIE.

 

The word should die like the past hatred it invoked and the discriminatory behaviour we fight so hard to overcome.

 

Blacks were once viewed as 3/5 of a human being. Thus the word "ngr" was used in short to portray that very concept. It was a way of saying in short, you dog, you ignorant being, you unworthy filth. So in essence the word encapsulated in one fail swoop, the offenses of hundreds of years. Yet somehow in black culture, we find a way to chose when we are offended by the same word.

 

You CAN'T justify it's use, NOT in casual conversation, NOT is greeting your fellow man, NOT in music, and most certainly not when it is use in a discriminatory fashion.

 

So I personally hold myself and my race personally responsible for it's use. I was once guilty of using it when I was young. I have since come to realize the ignorance in it. Until we all realize that the word has no place in our society PERIOD, we will continue to dodge hypocrisy bullets as a race.

 

Everytime we use the word among blacks two things happen. One the white race in the backs of their minds point to it as a sure sign of our ignorance and two, we further prove to ourselves as a race that we are not worthy of respect because we don't have any respect for each other as a fellow black man.

 

You could say the greatest trick the racist ever pulled was getting us as blacks to call each other the very thing they came up with to degrade us.

 

I am NO ngr, and never will be. I am a black man and will not be addressed as a dog, 3/5 of a human being, or anything else that takes away or reminds me of the past discrimination. You will call me by my name if your my friend or call me an SOB if you're my enemy. Until we decide as a society that the word should die period there will be no peace in it or with it's use. THAT is a FACT, like it or not.!

 

 

Great post.

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All this spam is killing this very intellectual and insightful discussion. Oh, wait someone is selling ray ban sunglasses. BRB.

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I totally agree with you but I have become angry over the frivolous use and how somewhere it became common to address one another with it. I can't listen to a song without is being used throughout the lyrics. It just makes me sick now that I understand what has become of it that's all.

 

Just wish we would all wise up and just let the word die.

 

 

 

If it is that prevelant in the music you listen to, and you find it offensive, stop listening to that crap music.

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