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San Diego's offense seems undervalued


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So... Does anyone else feel like virtually every Charger is a bargain in drafts this year? Granted, there is a lot to be leery about, but Rivers is serviceable as a QB not far removed from QB1 status. Mathews' value in drafts is nil which means he'll drop until someone HAS to take the chance, and the WRs are consistently still there past the 7th rd.

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I'm not nearly as afraid of most of them as most people seem to be. I was hoping Rivers would at least get some games in with Alexander before his obligatory early ACL, but if Brown is healthy they can have an above average receiving corp. Matthews doesn't scare me at all where he's ranked and being drafted. Gates will still have some big games before fading and being dropped for Eifert or Keller.

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I get that there are concerns on the offensive line. I just thing the pendulum has swung too far on San Diego as a whole and that guys like Mathews and Brown seem likely to outperform their ADPs simply because everyone seems to have written off San Diego. I think the change in coaching/scheme is the big question mark - how does it impact player performance? My general observation is that people are treating the Chargers like a fantasy wasteland and I think it smells of opportunity in the later rounds for astute owners.

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I get that there are concerns on the offensive line. I just thing the pendulum has swung too far on San Diego as a whole and that guys like Mathews and Brown seem likely to outperform their ADPs simply because everyone seems to have written off San Diego. I think the change in coaching/scheme is the big question mark - how does it impact player performance? My general observation is that people are treating the Chargers like a fantasy wasteland and I think it smells of opportunity in the later rounds for astute owners.

 

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Someone will put up numbers that you can use in FF, that's almost a certainty. But Mathews as a solid RB2? Not sold given his performance to date and Woodhead waiting to steal a ton of touches, especially in the 2nd half when they're playing catch up. I'd like Rivers a lot more in a league that doesn't penalize INTs, but he seems to be constantly hearing footsteps - for very good reason. What WR steps up? Personally I like Allen's chances because his game and reliability fit the needs of a QB under duress looking for help exactly - but he's still a rookie. Gates as a TE1? You'd better have another low TE1 in the wings when he goes down - and he always does.

 

Yeah, there's opportunity. But who steps up on a team like this? Or are they all mediocre FFwise by the end if the year?

 

 

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I think if you can get Mathews as a RB4 that you would be sitting pretty.

 

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Yeah, that would happen if you get a RB with an ADP in the middle of Rd 5 as your 4th RB - unless of course you drafted him where he is going in typical FF drafts and you burned 3 of your first 4 rounds on RBs also.

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I dont know BB...ive seen mathews drop like a rock in some mocks. Ive seen him go in the 7th. He is just a very hated player. It all comes down to how hated he is in each league. Im not touching him in the 5th, but Im considering him in the 6th and buying in the 7th.

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I dont know BB...ive seen mathews drop like a rock in some mocks. Ive seen him go in the 7th. He is just a very hated player. It all comes down to how hated he is in each league. Im not touching him in the 5th, but Im considering him in the 6th and buying in the 7th.

 

 

I appreciate what you are saying. In the 7th the RB options have thinned out. But understand I was responding to your statement about Marhews as your RB4. That means even picking him in the 7th that you them have already burned 3 of 6 previous picks on RBs and are still drafting a bench player while everyone is still picking starters and you have multiple starting positions to fill. That doesn't seem like a sound strategy to me.

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In a standard league (1qb,2rb,2wrs,1flex,1te,D,K) a fourth RB in the 7th isn't that bad of an idea. I would easily consider taking my RB4 if I can start three before my TE1 or QB1 if the value isn't there, because after the top flight options are gone far before the 7th the positions are really deep.

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I pretty much always load up on RBs early anyhow, its just what I am usually most comfortable with. Im thinking that I will end up diverging from that a bit this year because the mainstream FF media is preaching it hard.

 

I loved that QB early nonsense last year.

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Mathews in the 7th is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Who else is out there in the 7th at RB? Without looking at ADP data, I'd have to guess it'd be guys like Vick Ballard and Bernard Pierce. And I totally expect Mathews will fall to the 7th in my main local. I wouldn't mind drafting him as a potential flex or bye week RB with upside. I mean, outperforming a 7th round ADP seems like a reasonable outcome. I'm not expecting top 10 or anything but good serviceable flex value with low end RB2 upside. Seems like a good value in the 7th.

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Gates has lost weight and practicing hard. Not saying #1 or anything but the beat writers have noticed an uptick.

 

This.

 

All we're hearing from McCoy is the short to medium passing game will be emphasized this year. Those that will benefit are primarily Gates and Woodhead on third down out of the backfield. Brown will also factor into this if he can stay healthy.

 

My primary concern (even more than usual) is injuries. :scared:

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I'll agree Rivers is ranked low but with the quantity of quality QBs out there i understand why. I honestly haven't seen Rivers ranked in the top 20 QBs. That said I'd draft Dalton, Cutler, Freeman, Palmer, and Bradford over him. Until he shows up and proves he deserves to be a starting FF QB he's going to be on the WW in most leagues.

 

With RBs you grab lottery tickets every year, Matthews keep getting grabbed and people scratch the ticket and go damn lost again. I'd grab one the promising rookies like Lacy, Bell or Ball. Or go with Ivory, Murrary or Miller. (all of these RBs are around the same rank as Williams) The problem i see with these other lottery tickets is people are more likely to reach for them. I don't have a problem with having Matthews falling and you taking a flyer on him late but that would be the only reason I'd even look at him.

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Mathews in the 7th is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Who else is out there in the 7th at RB? Without looking at ADP data, I'd have to guess it'd be guys like Vick Ballard and Bernard Pierce. And I totally expect Mathews will fall to the 7th in my main local. I wouldn't mind drafting him as a potential flex or bye week RB with upside. I mean, outperforming a 7th round ADP seems like a reasonable outcome. I'm not expecting top 10 or anything but good serviceable flex value with low end RB2 upside. Seems like a good value in the 7th.

 

 

I'm purposely ranking Mathews way lower than his ADP this year to avoid being stuck with him. I've seen him ruin other people's seasons for about 3 consectuive seasons now and I have never been a supporter of all the hype he has brought (the guy was getting drafted in leagues as a top 10 RB in his rookie season???). Believe me, it looks all fine and peachy getting him at that low value, but when you are forcing yourself to jump early on Woodhead as a handcuff (potentially wasting a spot for another useful player at a different position), and when you're trying to convince yourself about how much "crazy potential" this guy has to justify starting him every week even after very poor performances, you'll see what I mean. He also is on the west coast, so when his inevitable nagging injuries come during the season, and he is listed as questionable for every week, you're gonna only put more pressure on yourself to have a backup plan to deal with his 4:30 games. It's just not worth the headache to me. I'd rather let someone else deal with him.

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To me in order for Rivers and the offense to be effective they need a Wideout that can and will, go an get the football. Vincent Jackson was a beast and Rivers didn't have to be all that accurate cause Jackson would go and get it. Especially when other teams blitz Rivers, he is about is immobile as any QB of recent memory, but he would throw off that back foot and loft it towards Vincent Jackson who would climb the ladder or out muscle the DB for the catch. Once VJax left there was no one to fil the void and the Offense shut down. Meachem was a bum and still is. All that speed and can't seem to get open. With no outside deep threat teams just rolled up on Gates and played cover two on the outside and Rivers had nowhere to go with the ball. Couple that with a horrid O line and a back that either gets hurt or puts the ball on the ground and this offense had no teeth.

 

I don't see that changing this year as the Oline is no better and they still don't have a #1 WR that can pull double coverage and press the defense. I don't see R Matthews being the answer at tailback either. So I personally don't see any value in San Deigo other than Gates.

 

They say Meacham is broken down but he's had an oil leak, knocking and cooled starting for years now. Guy was never worth what they paid for him and it's going to cost the chargers for years to come.

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To me in order for Rivers and the offense to be effective they need a Wideout that can and will, go an get the football. Vincent Jackson was a beast and Rivers didn't have to be all that accurate cause Jackson would go and get it. Especially when other teams blitz Rivers, he is about is immobile as any QB of recent memory, but he would throw off that back foot and loft it towards Vincent Jackson who would climb the ladder or out muscle the DB for the catch. Once VJax left there was no one to fil the void and the Offense shut down. Meachem was a bum and still is. All that speed and can't seem to get open. With no outside deep threat teams just rolled up on Gates and played cover two on the outside and Rivers had nowhere to go with the ball. Couple that with a horrid O line and a back that either gets hurt or puts the ball on the ground and this offense had no teeth.

 

I don't see that changing this year as the Oline is no better and they still don't have a #1 WR that can pull double coverage and press the defense. I don't see R Matthews being the answer at tailback either. So I personally don't see any value in San Deigo other than Gates.

 

They say Meacham is broken down but he's had an oil leak, knocking and cooled starting for years now. Guy was never worth what they paid for him and it's going to cost the chargers for years to come.

 

 

Hey you actually post some good ish when it's not about the Cowpokes. :)

 

I landed Mathews as a toss-in in a dynasty league. Other owner had enough and wanted out of his 4-year deal. I am in a true rebuild and felt more than comfortable taking him on given my situation.

 

Now, in a redraft, I won't touch the guy. Way too much risk. That said, if you can get him wayyyyy late as your 4th RB, maybe you pick him up in hopes that he a] stays healthy and b] the offense is able to move with all the woes at WR.

 

As for everyone else, no thanks. Guess I'd jump on Brown if he falls. Far. Maybe Gates as your 2nd TE if he falls. Keenan Allen as a last round flier. Won't touch Rivers in any situation.

 

Yikes.

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I'll agree Rivers is ranked low but with the quantity of quality QBs out there i understand why. I honestly haven't seen Rivers ranked in the top 20 QBs. That said I'd draft Dalton, Cutler, Freeman, Palmer, and Bradford over him. Until he shows up and proves he deserves to be a starting FF QB he's going to be on the WW in most leagues.

 

With RBs you grab lottery tickets every year, Matthews keep getting grabbed and people scratch the ticket and go damn lost again. I'd grab one the promising rookies like Lacy, Bell or Ball. Or go with Ivory, Murrary or Miller. (all of these RBs are around the same rank as Williams) The problem i see with these other lottery tickets is people are more likely to reach for them. I don't have a problem with having Matthews falling and you taking a flyer on him late but that would be the only reason I'd even look at him.

 

 

 

you'd take Cutler, Bradford, and Palmer over Rivers??? even Dalton and Freeman i'd strongly question except they've added weapons around them in Cinci and TB. Rivers is a top flight NFL QB IMO. for fantasy he's top 15. all this talk about his turning the ball over is way too hyped. i trust him way more than Cutler. his TD to INT numbers are always good. the dude is a baller. he just needs better support from the organization to get some help.

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you'd take Cutler, Bradford, and Palmer over Rivers??? even Dalton and Freeman i'd strongly question except they've added weapons around them in Cinci and TB. Rivers is a top flight NFL QB IMO. for fantasy he's top 15. all this talk about his turning the ball over is way too hyped. i trust him way more than Cutler. his TD to INT numbers are always good. the dude is a baller. he just needs better support from the organization to get some help.

 

We all watched and prayed he would get that help but they did squat. Rivers will be running for his life this year...this is not a FF perspective...I'm a BOLT forever but I dont really see us winning 4 games.
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you'd take Cutler, Bradford, and Palmer over Rivers??? even Dalton and Freeman i'd strongly question except they've added weapons around them in Cinci and TB. Rivers is a top flight NFL QB IMO. for fantasy he's top 15. all this talk about his turning the ball over is way too hyped. i trust him way more than Cutler. his TD to INT numbers are always good. the dude is a baller. he just needs better support from the organization to get some help.

 

 

I would grab any of those QBs (except Cutler) before Rivers and never give it a second thought.

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Dismissing Cutler in this new offense with the weapons he has is foolhardy, IMO.

 

On the other hand, I would dismiss Palmer with that O-line and Arians running the O. That's an injury waiting to happen.

 

 

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the dude is a baller. he just needs better support from the organization to get some help.

 

Which, unfortunately, has been absent for multiple seasons and certainly isn't coming to the rescue this season. I rank Freeman over Rivers without a second thought, and the same goes for Cutler. As nauseating as that is - it is the truth.

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