keggerz Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I tweeted this out earlier today: Since Rodgers took over as starting QB for #Packers in 2008 they've had a RB carry the ball 20+ times in a game just 20 times #NFL If you aren't concerned with carries and are only worried about yards then chew on this: Only 25 times since 2008 had a RB posted 80 or more rushing yards in a game for GB. Also,the Packers have had a RB post 100 or more yards just 9 times since 2008. The last being on 10/10/10 when Brandon Jackson posted 115 yards on 10 carries (71 yards came on one play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 yeah good info. Heard this on your radio spot in Tampa. I'd be fine with Lacy as a flex play in a standard league, but in a PPR league he's a RB3/RB4 in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) i'm in all ppr leagues and i haven't drafted lacy in any of them because i just have a weird feeling about him and even if he can stay healthy, just don't think he'll be worth the spot he's being drafted in for ppr. Edited September 2, 2013 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 On a related note, only once since 2008 have the Packers had a player worth a crap play RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPIchamp Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I've been more interested in Vereen, Benard and Miller at that point in drafts. I was passing over Lacy for Bradshaw a couple weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Itals Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think with Jennings gone and questions at the receiving positions, not to mention the beating Rodgers took last year, the trend will be a more balanced approach in GB. I just see the pendulum starting to swing back. Doesn't mean Lacy will be great this year, but I think he'll put up the best stats a GB RB has put up in some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think with Jennings gone and questions at the receiving positions, not to mention the beating Rodgers took last year, the trend will be a more balanced approach in GB. I just see the pendulum starting to swing back. Doesn't mean Lacy will be great this year, but I think he'll put up the best stats a GB RB has put up in some time. They have only 3 top receivers this year compared with 5 last year. So less 4 WR sets coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think with Jennings gone and questions at the receiving positions, not to mention the beating Rodgers took last year, the trend will be a more balanced approach in GB. I just see the pendulum starting to swing back. Doesn't mean Lacy will be great this year, but I think he'll put up the best stats a GB RB has put up in some time. not sure bout all that. Jennings missed 8 games. Driver was only targeted 13 times. other than Jordy being healthy what are the other questions with the wr's? Rodgers was 10th in the league last yr with 552 passes, I cant see that going down much if at all. sorry this is hard to read..my enter button doesn't work at the Huddle.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 They have only 3 top receivers this year compared with 5 last year. So less 4 WR sets coming. obviously I defer to you when its about GB, but again, Jennings only played 8 games and Driver was RARELY used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Itals Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 not sure bout all that. Jennings missed 8 games. Driver was only targeted 13 times. other than Jordy being healthy what are the other questions with the wr's? Rodgers was 10th in the league last yr with 552 passes, I cant see that going down much if at all. sorry this is hard to read..my enter button doesn't work at the Huddle.. I think the issues are whether Nelson, Cobb and Jones can now each move up and face a better CB than they did before (well at least for half the year.) Is Finley finally going to breakout at TE? This is his last chance. Rodgers sack totals from 2010-2012 have gone from 38 to 41 to 50+. I'm sure that has alot to do with throwing the ball 552 times. If you decrease that, you increase the chances your franchise player might play out his contract without requiring hospice care near the end of it. Lacy, if a serviceable RB, serves as an insurance policy for Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think the issues are whether Nelson, Cobb and Jones can now each move up and face a better CB than they did before (well at least for half the year.) Is Finley finally going to breakout at TE? This is his last chance. Rodgers sack totals from 2010-2012 have gone from 38 to 41 to 50+. I'm sure that has alot to do with throwing the ball 552 times. If you decrease that, you increase the chances your franchise player might play out his contract without requiring hospice care near the end of it. Lacy, if a serviceable RB, serves as an insurance policy for Rodgers. hard to disagree, especially with the hits Rodger's takes. I guess i'll have to see the pass attempts go down to believe it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 sometimes the answers are this simple. I think people get wrapped up too much in stats when they're not relevant. Like people think Shanny is a RBBC coach. He's not, sometimes it's about doing what a RB needs to do and stay healthy. I've won a lot more since I've stopped over thinking this game. so you think GB runs more and throws less this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 On a related note, only once since 2008 have the Packers had a player worth a crap play RB. And in those 32 reg. season games Grant only had 20 or more carries 13 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 sometimes the answers are this simple. I think people get wrapped up too much in stats when they're not relevant. Like people think Shanny is a RBBC coach. He's not, sometimes it's about doing what a RB needs to do and stay healthy. I've won a lot more since I've stopped over thinking this game. exactly....sometimes the stats apply but stats are a real shallow way to look at things...there is always a story behind why things happen... Rodgers will not hold up if they keep up the pass happy offense and that doesn't mean Rodgers won't still put up top 5 numbers if they stop passing so much....but also the run game wasn't all that effective so they had to throw more.....if the run blocking and RB's play their part then things will also open up more and Rodgers will still produce just as much with less attempts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 so you think GB runs more and throws less this year? I would like to add that I think they run more....if it works...if Lacy or Franklin can't get yardage then they ae going to have to throw more and Rodgers gets a body cast.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 I would like to add that I think they run more....if it works...if Lacy or Franklin can't get yardage then they ae going to have to throw more and Rodgers gets a body cast.... Fwiw Rushing attempts/yr 2008-437(1805 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-99(4.1) 2009-438(1885 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-102(4.3) 2010-421(1606 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-88(3.8) 2011-395(1558 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-89(3.9) 2012-433(1702 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-85(3.9) I don't think they drafted Lacy to run the ball more...I think they drafted him to run the ball more effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I feel the same way about Lacy, and in my drafts I targeted Bernard and Miller instead. Luckily, the people I drafted with in all cases were living in Lacyland and I got my guys as planned. Shoulda been a 6th rounder at best in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Fwiw Rushing attempts/yr 2008-437(1805 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-99(4.1) 2009-438(1885 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-102(4.3) 2010-421(1606 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-88(3.8) 2011-395(1558 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-89(3.9) 2012-433(1702 yds)...1st downs (YPC)-85(3.9) I don't think they drafted Lacy to run the ball more...I think they drafted him to run the ball more effectively. exactly my point.....they have abandoned the run because they were ineffective...it hasn't been for a lack of effort.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I feel the same way about Lacy, and in my drafts I targeted Bernard and Miller instead. Luckily, the people I drafted with in all cases were living in Lacyland and I got my guys as planned. Shoulda been a 6th rounder at best in my opinion. I drank the Lacy kool-aid for almost a week and then after a few mock drafts and then looking at things a bit more clearly I started avoiding him and started targeting Ball Bernard and Miller....I just scooped up Ball and Bernard in a PPR and also got Ridley/Vereen at tremendous value....Bernard and Miller might be real steals this year...same with Ball imo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 exactly my point.....they have abandoned the run because they were ineffective...it hasn't been for a lack of effort.... they ran the ball 433 times last year...5 times fewer than in 09 and 4 times fewer than in 08...you know, the years when they had an effective RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 And in those 32 reg. season games Grant only had 20 or more carries 13 times. And I think if people got 1253/11 from those limited carries from their mid-round 3rd RB they would do back flips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think with Jennings gone and questions at the receiving positions, not to mention the beating Rodgers took last year, the trend will be a more balanced approach in GB. I just see the pendulum starting to swing back. Doesn't mean Lacy will be great this year, but I think he'll put up the best stats a GB RB has put up in some time. agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 they ran the ball 433 times last year...5 times fewer than in 09 and 4 times fewer than in 08...you know, the years when they had an effective RB. mhm....if Lacy can be effective then ...yeah, but I am not sure if the run blocking has been good....you would assume that with that passing attack that holes would just open right up....it could be the RB's...the blocking....both?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) And I think if people got 1253/11 from those limited carries from their mid-round 3rd RB they would do back flips. Point of clarification, Lacy is being drafted as a RB2 (ADP=RB22 over past 2 weeks) or they could get 1203/4 (RB27) from those limited carries from a RB that's being drafted as a RB2, but I'm sure they'll be happy he at least had flex value. Edited September 3, 2013 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 mhm....if Lacy can be effective then ...yeah, but I am not sure if the run blocking has been good....you would assume that with that passing attack that holes would just open right up....it could be the RB's...the blocking....both?.... Tuvey ranks the Packers OL for run blocking as "C"...but I just don't see how they run the ball much more than they did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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