Pistolkid Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Let's say you're down 1 point heading into the late game of the week, and your opponent has only his defense left to go. The rules are written that make it possible for owners to not start defenses or positions if they please. Is it dirty for that owner to swap his defense out and bench them at the last minute to lock up a win, and avoid a loss if they get negative points? This is in a league where there is incentive to start all your players because there are weekly prizes for high scores and whatnot. Or is this not a big deal because it is technically permitted by the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Very legal, as is any other way you can win within the rules. If you're playing for money, I would do it unless I had a shot at the weekly prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 If the rules expressly permit it, then of course it's not dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Agree - a win is a win, so long as you're playing within the rules and you're not cheating. Some leagues require you to submit a full lineup in order to prevent this. But if it's not part of the "rules" then it's not cheating and it's a strategy that's gonna generate a W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosGatosEnFuegos Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Just hope for no stat changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron677 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 How in the world can that be considered dirty? Why is this even a question? It's obviously an okay thing to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 May be legal and within the rules, but as has been beaten to death on this forum at times, it is bush league. Pulling a player (offensive single player or a team defense, whatever) from your roster before the last game to secure a win and avoid the possible loss with negative points is lame. Like somebody else say, pray there are no stat corrections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 May be legal and within the rules, but as has been beaten to death on this forum at times, it is bush league. Pulling a player (offensive single player or a team defense, whatever) from your roster before the last game to secure a win and avoid the possible loss with negative points is lame. Like somebody else say, pray there are no stat corrections. I highly doubt there is any consensus on the board that this is bush league. It is a perfectly legitimate strategy to win a game, which is the ultimate point of this game we play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 May be legal and within the rules, but as has been beaten to death on this forum at times, it is bush league. Pulling a player (offensive single player or a team defense, whatever) from your roster before the last game to secure a win and avoid the possible loss with negative points is lame. Like somebody else say, pray there are no stat corrections. Those discussions here have been when it's not specifically addressed in the rules and someone slides one in under the wire. You'll see a lot more varied opinions in that case. However in this case the rules are clear that it's allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I highly doubt there is any consensus on the board that this is bush league. It is a perfectly legitimate strategy to win a game, which is the ultimate point of this game we play. Those discussions here have been when it's not specifically addressed in the rules and someone slides one in under the wire. You'll see a lot more varied opinions in that case. However in this case the rules are clear that it's allowed. OK, you guys are probably right that there is no consensus. Just seems lame to me, since it is completely reliant on some scheduling quirks (your player hasn't played yet, but the other team is done and you are leading) to get a win instead of playing your best line-up and letting the possible (yet usually unlikely) negative score turn your win into a loss. Since the OP mentioned weekly prizes for high scores it would lessen the chance (though some would probably still take the sure win vs. the possible weekly high score). I'd never do it. The OP mentioned that the rules allow it (not having a player in a starting line-up position) so essentially that makes it legal to start an empty team, and hand your opponent a win. Would that be ok with folks too? (You know like if it benefits his team, gives him an easier match-up in the playoffs, or better draft pick.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yrb Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Yeah, it seems legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron677 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 OK, you guys are probably right that there is no consensus. Just seems lame to me, since it is completely reliant on some scheduling quirks (your player hasn't played yet, but the other team is done and you are leading) to get a win instead of playing your best line-up and letting the possible (yet usually unlikely) negative score turn your win into a loss. Since the OP mentioned weekly prizes for high scores it would lessen the chance (though some would probably still take the sure win vs. the possible weekly high score). I'd never do it. The OP mentioned that the rules allow it (not having a player in a starting line-up position) so essentially that makes it legal to start an empty team, and hand your opponent a win. Would that be ok with folks too? (You know like if it benefits his team, gives him an easier match-up in the playoffs, or better draft pick.) If the league doesn't like it, then there should be a rule against it in the first place. If there isn't, then it's fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahavrilla Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 is it lame? yes is it cheating? no If it really bothers your owners set up a rule for next year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 OK, you guys are probably right that there is no consensus. Just seems lame to me, since it is completely reliant on some scheduling quirks (your player hasn't played yet, but the other team is done and you are leading) to get a win instead of playing your best line-up and letting the possible (yet usually unlikely) negative score turn your win into a loss. Since the OP mentioned weekly prizes for high scores it would lessen the chance (though some would probably still take the sure win vs. the possible weekly high score). I'd never do it. The OP mentioned that the rules allow it (not having a player in a starting line-up position) so essentially that makes it legal to start an empty team, and hand your opponent a win. Would that be ok with folks too? (You know like if it benefits his team, gives him an easier match-up in the playoffs, or better draft pick.) As I noted, if the main goal is to win your weekly matchup, it could be counterproductive to not bench them and risk losing. A lot would actually depend on the scoring system and likelihood of a negative score for my defense compared to the possibility of a stat change causing enough points for the result to change. I have personally never benched a player to lock in a zero, but understand the reasons why. Now, for the second part of your post, that is a very different situation. In the OP, the player is being benched to try and secure a win. In the latter, the player(s) are being benched to try secure a loss, which is by definition tanking and should not be allowed in any league. Now, to get even trickier, there are situations where a team may not be able to start a full lineup. Say their only QB or TE get injured. I am of the mind that an owner should not be forced to pick up a player if there are transaction fees involved, or in dynasty leagues where the owner would be forced to drop a player they would keep to address the situation. It gets sticky and is truly walking a fine line between acceptable/unacceptable behavior, but dynasty leagues do present a lot more unique situations that redrafts, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I highly doubt there is any consensus on the board that this is bush league. It is a perfectly legitimate strategy to win a game, which is the ultimate point of this game we play. So you're saying that if it's not in the rules, it's a perfectly legimate strategy to strive towards that ultimate goal... But doing "tradebacks" WITH additional benefits isn't? I agree with stevegrab here for the most part. It's kinda weak.... but in certain situations I suppose it's necessary (dynasty leagues, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheMan_5 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just hope for no stat changes. ^ this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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