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Shonn Greene to get 15+ carries going forward?


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Here's the scoop. Greene to get 15

 

This is pleasant surprise. CJohnson is not getting it done on the GL. Could be a peachy pick-up.

 

15 carries for Greene might work out to be about 30 yards. I will be surprised if they're really going to be able to get him 15 carries and if he's physically ready to handle that even if the opportunity is there. Johnson is a much more dynamic runner and he cant get going. I don't expect a plodder like Greene will, either.
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According to Huddle News coach wants CJ to get 20 and Greene 15 carries, so 35 rushes per game, doubt that happens

 

 

Chris Johnson - RB - Tennessee Titans Posted 10/30/13 10:42pm et

 

Updating a previous report, Tennessee Titans head coach Mike Munchak said Wednesday, Oct. 30, that ideally he would like to get 20 carries for RB Chris Johnson, while getting RB Shonn Greene 15 carries.

 

Huddle Up: Johnson hasn't gotten 20 carries in a game since Week 2 but apparently Tennessee is now going to run the football 40 times every week. It's one thing to say stuff like this but if the Titans go down early like they did against San Francisco, getting their running backs a certain number of carries won't be a priority

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Wow. A lot of dislike for Greene, who as far as I have seen is a limited but very determined RB who has made the most out of his opportunities.

 

Comparing Greene to CJ?K is pretty irrelevant. They're worlds apart in style, and while CJ?K clearly has lost the step that made him what he was and can do little else, Greene's straight ahead no-frills style may actually fit the TEN O better.

 

If Greene does get 15 carries, it's reasonable to expect 60 yds, plus he gets the goal line work. That makes him a decent flex/bye week filler and help for teams decimated by injuries to RBs.

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Do your leagues give extra points for running right up the butt of a lineman? Because in 13 or 14 of those 15 carries that is exactly what you'll see.

 

As long as that lineman is across the goal line, who cares. I had no choice but to grab him after I got the alert.

Nothing left on the wire and bye week is killing me.

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Wow. A lot of dislike for Greene, who as far as I have seen is a limited but very determined RB who has made the most out of his opportunities.

 

Comparing Greene to CJ?K is pretty irrelevant. They're worlds apart in style, and while CJ?K clearly has lost the step that made him what he was and can do little else, Greene's straight ahead no-frills style may actually fit the TEN O better.

 

If Greene does get 15 carries, it's reasonable to expect 60 yds, plus he gets the goal line work. That makes him a decent flex/bye week filler and help for teams decimated by injuries to RBs.

 

I believe it was 2V who wrote of Greene (paraphrasing) "he gets what's blocked and nothing more". I would be concerned he will not get the volume of touches in Ten needed for him to post fantasy helpful stats. When he was with the Jets, seemed like he needed a LOT of carries before turning in a decent fantasy day. I don't know. Maybe he'll surprise. I just agree he's a limited player and think its funny that people think just because the coach said 15 means its gonna be 15. I mean, I am sure Ten has been trying to get the running game on track all season. It's not like they just came up with a breakthrough idea that is guaranteed to work...
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He's worth a flier. See Tolbert. See LawFirm. See Ball. Yeah I know they're all different but that's why we have a bench. Wait and see.

 

IMHO, TEN is a sneaking up on being a competitive team. Munchak appears to be a traditional coach that wants a balanced attack. Clearly, CJ?K is not getting it done in the red zone and Greene COULD be an improvement...it's that simple. Check out the SOS tool, and you'll see that TEN has relatively easy RB schedule ROS. They still get the JAGs twice with their last meeting in week 16. Could make for a nice championship game option for some.

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Do your leagues give extra points for running right up the butt of a lineman? Because in 13 or 14 of those 15 carries that is exactly what you'll see.

 

:lol:

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This isn't that big of a deal to me because in my mind I have relegated Chris Johnson to home run hitter status. He isn't the guy that's going to grind out a 25 carry 125 yard 1 td day. hes the guy that's gonna possibly break one from 50+ to justify you starting him. Sure Greene getting carries takes some home run opportunities away but he (Johnson) will still get his at bats

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He's worth a flier. See Tolbert. See LawFirm. See Ball. Yeah I know they're all different but that's why we have a bench. Wait and see.

 

IMHO, TEN is a sneaking up on being a competitive team. Munchak appears to be a traditional coach that wants a balanced attack. Clearly, CJ?K is not getting it done in the red zone and Greene COULD be an improvement...it's that simple. Check out the SOS tool, and you'll see that TEN has relatively easy RB schedule ROS. They still get the JAGs twice with their last meeting in week 16. Could make for a nice championship game option for some.

 

 

Curious what you would consider getting it done in the red zone. I haven't seen many TEN games this year, so I'm just going by CJ stats, he has 17 carries for 51 yards (3.0 avg) inside the opponents 20. His overall average per carry this season is 3.2. While Greene (who some say will get the goal line work) has 0 carries inside the red zone, in the two games he has played.

 

CJ last 3 weeks has contributed more in the passing game, with 11 rec, 155 yards and 2 TDs. While only having an average of 10 carries per game (not the 20 the coach wants to get him).

 

Not saying he isn't worth a flier, just think the original post and some follow up make it sound like he's going to be taking over, or producing more FF points than CJ. Color me skeptical (and a CJ owner).

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Seems to me like the TEN coaching staff is paying attention. Looking at CJ?K's splits, the guy averages 3.8 ypc on carries 1-10 in a game, and then his ypc falls off a cliff to 2.1 ypc for carries 11-20, with the 2.1 ypc being equal on carries 11-15 and 16-20. The guy simply isn't getting it done when he is asked to take on a full work load.

 

If I'm a HC and seeing that, I have to limit CJ?K's workload. He simply is not helping the team when he is getting more than 10 carries a game.

 

If that's the case, it is absolutely realistic that Greene could be the lead RB with CJ?K shifting to a CoP/passing down role. If so, and if CJ?K does have a carry count that is relatively low, Greene could easily be in for 15 carries or more a game.

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Curious what you would consider getting it done in the red zone. I haven't seen many TEN games this year, so I'm just going by CJ stats, he has 17 carries for 51 yards (3.0 avg) inside the opponents 20. His overall average per carry this season is 3.2. While Greene (who some say will get the goal line work) has 0 carries inside the red zone, in the two games he has played.

 

CJ last 3 weeks has contributed more in the passing game, with 11 rec, 155 yards and 2 TDs. While only having an average of 10 carries per game (not the 20 the coach wants to get him).

 

Not saying he isn't worth a flier, just think the original post and some follow up make it sound like he's going to be taking over, or producing more FF points than CJ. Color me skeptical (and a CJ owner).

 

Well. it's merely conjecture at this point. but I see this as a significant shift away from CJ. The numbers are the tea leaves. CJ is the only RB in the NFL with over 15 redzone touches and no TDs. The TEN braintrust see that and appear to be making a change. Greene hasn't played thus far due to injury so there's no data to compare. In a standard league, if Greene "takes over" the majority of the redzone work, he could conceivably out produce CJ.

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Seems to me like the TEN coaching staff is paying attention. Looking at CJ?K's splits, the guy averages 3.8 ypc on carries 1-10 in a game, and then his ypc falls off a cliff to 2.1 ypc for carries 11-20, with the 2.1 ypc being equal on carries 11-15 and 16-20. The guy simply isn't getting it done when he is asked to take on a full work load.

 

If I'm a HC and seeing that, I have to limit CJ?K's workload. He simply is not helping the team when he is getting more than 10 carries a game.

 

If that's the case, it is absolutely realistic that Greene could be the lead RB with CJ?K shifting to a CoP/passing down role. If so, and if CJ?K does have a carry count that is relatively low, Greene could easily be in for 15 carries or more a game.

 

Good point, except the coach said he wants to get CJ 20 carries a game, so I'd say they either didn't look at the splits, or don't think they matter. (Or else he would have said "10 carries for CJ since he falls off after that and the rest for Greene.)

 

Well. it's merely conjecture at this point. but I see this as a significant shift away from CJ. The numbers are the tea leaves. CJ is the only RB in the NFL with over 15 redzone touches and no TDs. The TEN braintrust see that and appear to be making a change. Greene hasn't played thus far due to injury so there's no data to compare. In a standard league, if Greene "takes over" the majority of the redzone work, he could conceivably out produce CJ.

 

A few points

 

Yes it is conjucture, but it seems based on a gut feeling, not the numbers (stats) or the statement by the coach (CJ=20 carries, Greene=15).

 

Greene has played just not that much, there are stats to compare to, you can say they don't matter if you like, but don't say they don't exist or that he hasn't played, that is simply false.

 

If CJ had been getting 25-30 carries a game, or they had said they wanted to do that and now lowered those numbers I'd agree they are shifting away from CJ. But that doesn't appear to be happening.

 

Again to me it appear peoples are over reacting to the news of Greene getting 15 carries and ignoring that the coach still wants CJ to have more carries than Greene. He also said nothing about GL and using Greene instead of CJ.

 

I'm not saying you are wrong, or that Greene won't produce better numbers, just don't see that the stats or the statement from the coach (which started the discsussion) are supporting that theory.

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Good point, except the coach said he wants to get CJ 20 carries a game, so I'd say they either didn't look at the splits, or don't think they matter. (Or else he would have said "10 carries for CJ since he falls off after that and the rest for Greene.)

 

 

 

I tend to watch what coaches do, not what they say.

 

It appears to me that in TEN's last 3 games, all losses, that they've thrown a lot more than towards the beginning of the year. So TEN appears to be looking to going back to throwing 30 times a game, +/- , and increasing their running attempts.

 

But we have also seen Johnson's rush attempts dip down to about 10 per game the last three games. And that makes sense because he is ineffective once he passes 10 carries. Up to Greene's return, there really hasn't been anywhere else for TEN to turn. Either throw more and lose or run CJ more and have him do nothing in the second half of games, which causes more and poorer throwing situations.

 

So with 30 passes and 10 CJ runs, that accounts for 40 of the 60 pass/run plays that TEN has per game. Throw in say 5 Locker/WR runs and that would leave Greene with 15 carries.

 

The math works, the philosophy works, and TEN is more successful doing this. So the HC not trying to throw his declining at-one-time top RB under the bus publicly by telling the world that the former 2K RB will now be relegated to CoP status does mean as much as what has actually happened and what rational course that points to.

 

That said, now CJ?K will probably have 30 rushes next game while Greene has 3.

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I tend to watch what coaches do, not what they say.

 

It appears to me that in TEN's last 3 games, all losses, that they've thrown a lot more than towards the beginning of the year. So TEN appears to be looking to going back to throwing 30 times a game, +/- , and increasing their running attempts.

 

But we have also seen Johnson's rush attempts dip down to about 10 per game the last three games. And that makes sense because he is ineffective once he passes 10 carries. Up to Greene's return, there really hasn't been anywhere else for TEN to turn. Either throw more and lose or run CJ more and have him do nothing in the second half of games, which causes more and poorer throwing situations.

 

So with 30 passes and 10 CJ runs, that accounts for 40 of the 60 pass/run plays that TEN has per game. Throw in say 5 Locker/WR runs and that would leave Greene with 15 carries.

 

The math works, the philosophy works, and TEN is more successful doing this. So the HC not trying to throw his declining at-one-time top RB under the bus publicly by telling the world that the former 2K RB will now be relegated to CoP status does mean as much as what has actually happened and what rational course that points to.

 

That said, now CJ?K will probably have 30 rushes next game while Greene has 3.

 

 

Good post. I guess time will tell what happens. I did notice going back through some game logs that there were games when Battle had as many or more carries than CJ, so I can see where Greene could get more.

 

Chloroform Rx also makes a good point about their competition the last few weeks. First 3 weeks CJ had 19 or more carries against PIT, HOU & SD. The next 4 he had 15 or less against NYJ, KC, SEA & SF (at least 3 being very good defense).

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