TomTheTerrific Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I've heard quite a few people mentioning that during the cold weather Peyton Manning is going to start playing worse. What are the Huddlers opinion on this and do you think it will affect Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker's production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekez Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Sell now..do it fast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 My single biggest caveat on what would otherwise be a year where DEN looks like a potential NFL champion. Manning outdoors in NY in the dead of winter with the Lombardi trophy on the line? :shiver: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Kinda pisses me off that they are having the Super Bowl in potentially hondaty weather. But I guess just because NY built a brand new stadium we should toss off the notion that the weather shouldn't decide the champion. It's all about the $$$. To the OP, it's only once the extreme lows hit that Peyton has shown some limitations. That really shouldn't strike until the NFL playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favreforlife Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 My single biggest caveat on what would otherwise be a year where DEN looks like a potential NFL champion. Manning outdoors in NY in the dead of winter with the Lombardi trophy on the line? :shiver: He wouldn't have to go far though Bronco Billy to warm himself up at Eli's house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Kinda pisses me off that they are having the Super Bowl in potentially hondaty weather. But I guess just because NY built a brand new stadium we should toss off the notion that the weather shouldn't decide the champion. It's all about the $$$. To the OP, it's only once the extreme lows hit that Peyton has shown some limitations. That really shouldn't strike until the NFL playoffs. Actually I have no issue at all with football being played in cold weather. Hell, this may turn out to be great...maybe real football fans will show up for the game instead of the snooze fest corporate blue hairs. And if it gets cold enough maybe they'll nix the halftime show and just have football. That's two positives right there. The Super Bowl is one of the most laborious football games to watch. It has become Nascar...all about saturation, marketing and advertising. It's football so I still watch it, but I much prefer the playoffs leading up to the Stuper Bowl. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historymike Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Fortunately we have solid and recent data from the 2012 season to test this theory; let us examine the last four home games that Manning and the Broncos played last year in chilly Denver: 11-18-12: 30-23 win over San Diego, 270 passing yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 59.5 percent completion rate. High 67, low 33, clear and windy with 29 mph gusts. 12-2-12: 31-23 win over Tampa Bay, 242 passing yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 71.1percent completion rate. High 67, low 33, rain, 30 mph wind gusts. 12-23-12: 34-12 win over Cleveland, 339 passing yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 69.8 percent completion rate. High 55, low 20, rain changing to snow, 37 mph wind gusts. 12-30-12: 38-3 win over San Diego, 304 passing yards, 3 TDs, 0 INT, 79.3 percent completion rate. Weather: 37 high, 10 low, 20 mph gusts. His completing percent the last 4 home games of was higher than his 2012 average (69.93 percent vs. 68.6 percent) and his QBR for the last 4 home games was higher than his TTD QBR (111.75 vs. 105.8). Yes, his last 4 oppnents in 2012 were weaker overall than some of his earlier games, but Manning showed statistical consistency throughout the year despite the changes in weather. Conclusion: dude can still throw the pigskin in cold weather. Edited November 7, 2013 by historymike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) I've heard quite a few people mentioning that during the cold weather Peyton Manning is going to start playing worse. What are the Huddlers opinion on this and do you think it will affect Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker's production? You can insert the name of any QB and ask the same question. Perhaps with the exception of The Legend of Joe Kapp, most players stand a good chance of being limited in wintry weather. But there is also evidence that suggests it makes no difference. Attempting to prognosticate FF fortunes based on the weather will land you at the front of the brunch buffet at the Betty Ford Center. Edited November 7, 2013 by wpayers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historymike Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) You can insert the name of any QB and ask the same question. Perhaps with the exception of The Legend of Joe Kapp, most players stand a good chance of being limited in wintry weather. But there is also evidence that suggests it makes no difference. Attempting to prognosticate FF fortunes based on the weather will land you at the front of the brunch buffet at the Betty Ford Center. This. Unless a game is being played in the middle of a typhoon or blizzard, the effects of weather are generally minimal: the occasional extra INT due to a gust of wind causing a ball to slightly deviate from its course, or a player slipping here or there and missing out on a bigger gain. I do recall a Browns-Steelers game in December 2009 that was insanely cold, something like 10 below wind chill, but Big Ben's troubles that day had more to do with being sacked eight times than the weather. Edited November 7, 2013 by historymike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) I think they should play the Super Bowl (for the Lombardi Trophy) at Lambeau Field every year! Edited November 7, 2013 by the outlaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 This. Unless a game is being played in the middle of a typhoon or blizzard, the effects of weather are generally minimal: the occasional extra INT due to a gust of wind causing a ball to slightly deviate from its course, or a player slipping here or there and missing out on a bigger gain. I do recall a Browns-Steelers game in December 2009 that was insanely cold, something like 10 below wind chill, but Big Ben's troubles that day had more to do with being sacked eight times than the weather. Don't forget the snow plow game and the kick it GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I think they should play the Super Bowl (for the Lombardi Trophy) at Lambeau Field every year! That would at least keep the ticket prices down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Don't forget the snow plow game and the kick it GOOD don't forget the Giants-Packers NFC Championship game a few years ago when Coughlin's (bright red) face almost froze off! (although, we're starting to get slightly off-topic, now)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 That would at least keep the ticket prices down. it would be like kwolf said, above...would bring out the "real" fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) (although, we're starting to get slightly off-topic, now)... Didn't think I was , I was referring to the cold factor , when Miami went to NE and the game ended 3-0 because of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzOJAer5VSI And they even have the actually snowplow in their museum Plus at teh time (3) people viewing this thread & only (37) on the whole dang forum 37 user(s) are browsing this forum 17 members, 17 guests, 3 anonymous users MustOfBeenDrunk, NAUgrad, Scorcher, LbNiners, nelsosi, stevegrab, byroz, Bears, LosGatosEnFuegos, historymike, wpayers, gandalas, loaf, Big Country, Fedaiken, kpawlak10, SecondString Man this place has slowed down a lot ,, try visiting the Tailgate forum That place used to be realy jumping off but now lucky if ever more than 5 5 user(s) are browsing this forum 4 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users MustOfBeenDrunk, buddahj, moneymakers, MrTed46 Edited November 7, 2013 by MustOfBeenDrunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Actually I have no issue at all with football being played in cold weather. Hell, this may turn out to be great...maybe real football fans will show up for the game instead of the snooze fest corporate blue hairs. And if it gets cold enough maybe they'll nix the halftime show and just have football. That's two positives right there. The Super Bowl is one of the most laborious football games to watch. It has become Nascar...all about saturation, marketing and advertising. It's football so I still watch it, but I much prefer the playoffs leading up to the Stuper Bowl. The first paragraph is completely ridiculous. It's not going to change who shows up or the halftime show. The last paragraph I agree with. My only issue with this is that if your a pound it out running team with a great D like KC then the weather doesn't really matter. If your a high octane, throw the ball all over the field with average to poor D like Denver then it's a huge issue. If the game is windy and really cold Denver is screwed. I don't understand why playing the game in potentially crappy weather is better than playing the game at a place where it's likely to be nice. Both teams got there through the entire season playing the majority of games in decent weather. Why should the one game to decide it all potentially have a huge impact because of weather? That's my problem with the game in NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 My single biggest caveat on what would otherwise be a year where DEN looks like a potential NFL champion. Manning outdoors in NY in the dead of winter with the Lombardi trophy on the line? :shiver: Several NFC contenders are going to have trouble playing outdoor in the cold too, Saints, Seahawks, 49ers. To the OPs question, I'm not worried. I have Thomas as well as Calvin, they will both be playings some games in cold weather in Dec, and I'm not concerned that their production drops significantly. Not like I'd find a suitable replacement even through trade. Fortunately we have solid and recent data from the 2012 season to test this theory; let us examine the last four home games that Manning and the Broncos played last year in chilly Denver: 11-18-12: 30-23 win over San Diego, 270 passing yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 59.5 percent completion rate. High 67, low 33, clear and windy with 29 mph gusts. 12-2-12: 31-23 win over Tampa Bay, 242 passing yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 71.1percent completion rate. High 67, low 33, rain, 30 mph wind gusts. 12-23-12: 34-12 win over Cleveland, 339 passing yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 69.8 percent completion rate. High 55, low 20, rain changing to snow, 37 mph wind gusts. 12-30-12: 38-3 win over San Diego, 304 passing yards, 3 TDs, 0 INT, 79.3 percent completion rate. Weather: 37 high, 10 low, 20 mph gusts. His completing percent the last 4 home games of was higher than his 2012 average (69.93 percent vs. 68.6 percent) and his QBR for the last 4 home games was higher than his TTD QBR (111.75 vs. 105.8). Yes, his last 4 oppnents in 2012 were weaker overall than some of his earlier games, but Manning showed statistical consistency throughout the year despite the changes in weather. Conclusion: dude can still throw the pigskin in cold weather. Game time temps would be useful, knowing the DEN games are played generally played in the late slot (2 mountain time) I'll assume the temps were close to the highs. I hardly consider 67 or 55 degrees to be "cold" weather. The last game yes, 37 is cold. It will be well below 50 in NY/NJ in early Feb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Several NFC contenders are going to have trouble playing outdoor in the cold too, Saints, Seahawks, 49ers. To the OPs question, I'm not worried. I have Thomas as well as Calvin, they will both be playings some games in cold weather in Dec, and I'm not concerned that their production drops significantly. Not like I'd find a suitable replacement even through trade. Game time temps would be useful, knowing the DEN games are played generally played in the late slot (2 mountain time) I'll assume the temps were close to the highs. I hardly consider 67 or 55 degrees to be "cold" weather. The last game yes, 37 is cold. It will be well below 50 in NY/NJ in early Feb. The only NFC contender that may have trouble is the Saints. Seattle and San Fran can grind it out and play good D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Several NFC contenders are going to have trouble playing outdoor in the cold too, Saints, Seahawks, 49ers. To the OPs question, I'm not worried. I have Thomas as well as Calvin, they will both be playings some games in cold weather in Dec, and I'm not concerned that their production drops significantly. Not like I'd find a suitable replacement even through trade. Game time temps would be useful, knowing the DEN games are played generally played in the late slot (2 mountain time) I'll assume the temps were close to the highs. I hardly consider 67 or 55 degrees to be "cold" weather. The last game yes, 37 is cold. It will be well below 50 in NY/NJ in early Feb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Game time temps would be useful, knowing the DEN games are played generally played in the late slot (2 mountain time) I'll assume the temps were close to the highs. I hardly consider 67 or 55 degrees to be "cold" weather. The last game yes, 37 is cold. It will be well below 50 in NY/NJ in early Feb. My thoughts exactly when I read that response. Two days cited had highs of 67. Is this guy from Tucson that he considers that cold weather? Hell, 37 degrees in NY in February would be an unseasonal heat wave, much less that the team DEN presumably would be facing might have a bit more wherewithal than last year's Chargers. And FWIW, championships ought to have the elements as an additional factor. This is football, for Pete's sake. No one should be debating whether the thermostat should be set to 69 or. 70 during the game. Some of the classic games in NFL history have featured teams overcoming weather as well as their opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) The only NFC contender that may have trouble is the Saints. Seattle and San Fran can grind it out and play good D. Ah hah! Now we're talking. Cold schold! What really makes a difference in team performance, and by extension FF performance, are significant changes in environment. I don't have citations at my fingertips (but I am sure there are some inquisitive Huddlers that do) but I would venture to say that dome teams perform at lesser levels away from their own friendly confines, especially in colder temperatures. Weather may have an impact but also changes in acoustics, playing surface and sight lines most likely have negative effects. So, if the Saints had a stretch of 3 games away from home in northern cities in December, I would lower my FF expectations. Nothing makes you feel smarter than stating the obvious. Edited November 7, 2013 by wpayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Ah hah! Now we're talking. Cold schold! What really makes a difference in team performance, and by extension FF performance, are significant changes in environment. I don't have citations at my fingertips (but I am sure there are some inquisitive Huddlers that do) but I would venture to say that dome teams perform at lesser levels away from their own friendly confines, especially in colder temperatures. Weather may have an impact but also changes in acoustics, playing surface and sight lines most likely have negative effects. So, if the Saints had a stretch of 3 games away from home in northern cities in December, I would lower my FF expectations. Nothing makes you feel smarter than stating the obvious. I used to agree with this but now believe it only holds true for teams with 50% of their starters in their 1st 3 yearsTeams who's play makers have been in the league for 6 or more years have seen it all IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I used to agree with this but now believe it only holds true for teams with 50% of their starters in their 1st 3 years Teams who's play makers have been in the league for 6 or more years have seen it all IMO Good add. The Huddle should include age in the ROS and SOS tools. Where's this site's suggestion box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 The first paragraph is completely ridiculous. It's not going to change who shows up or the halftime show. The last paragraph I agree with. My only issue with this is that if your a pound it out running team with a great D like KC then the weather doesn't really matter. If your a high octane, throw the ball all over the field with average to poor D like Denver then it's a huge issue. If the game is windy and really cold Denver is screwed. I don't understand why playing the game in potentially crappy weather is better than playing the game at a place where it's likely to be nice. Both teams got there through the entire season playing the majority of games in decent weather. Why should the one game to decide it all potentially have a huge impact because of weather? That's my problem with the game in NY. That was my point too. The Super Bowl has always been held in warm weather or indoor venues for exactly that reason - that the field and or weather do not dictate the outcome of the game, only the quality of the teams' play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Somehow I get the feeling that the Ice Bowl wouldn't have quite the impact in NFL lore if it had been the "Someone Set the AC Fan to Medium Bowl" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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