mhorn Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 In the 12 team keeper league that I'm the commissioner of, we start our playoffs this week. Two teams who are not in the playoffs anymore made waiver moves that might effect the outcome of our playoffs. One team just dropped RG3 to pick up Cobb as a potential keeper next season (he still has Rivers and Foles at QB), and another team dropped Donald Brown to take a gamble on T Williams as a late round keeper. My question is, as commissioner, should I allow these players to be available on the waiver wire considering they could improve some positions for teams that are in the playoffs or should I put RG3 and Brown back on their original teams rosters and send a note to the league reminding them that if they aren't in the playoffs, that hy shouldn't drop players of that value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 If you allow waiver moves in playoffs, you need to allow the moves, as this is a keeper league and they are making moves to try better their teams long term. Too late now as your rules apparently allow this (unless you are allowed as commish to make a change, then I'd consider option 3 as the least disruptive to the way you currently run it), but some rules to consider: - No waivers once playoffs start, thus the team that got you there is the team that needs to win it for you - Waivers for playoff teams only, but players picked up are not eligible to be kept - Waivers for everyone, players picked up are elgible to be kept, dropped players can not be picked up I'm sure there are a ton of other options, but those are three of the more common options I see in keeper leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Either stop all waivers for the playoffs, or stipulate that any players picked up for the playoffs will be dropped from the roster once playoffs end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 - No waivers once playoffs start, thus the team that got you there is the team that needs to win it for you - Waivers for playoff teams only, but players picked up are not eligible to be kept - Waivers for everyone, players picked up are elgible to be kept, dropped players can not be picked up Yep. Not a fan of #1 (I don't think teams should be penalized if they sustain an injury, and have to go without a QB, for example). I've seen situations where the best team loses (in the playoffs), simply because they can't make a move to fill a spot, due to injury. #2 works well. Just turn off waivers abilities for non-playoff teams (yet playoff teams aren't getting any sort of "advantage" since they can't keep the players they acquire). #3 is also an option, but might require more work for the commish (since they might have to manually restrict who gets picked up)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 If you allow waiver moves in playoffs, you need to allow the moves, as this is a keeper league and they are making moves to try better their teams long term. Too late now as your rules apparently allow this (unless you are allowed as commish to make a change, then I'd consider option 3 as the least disruptive to the way you currently run it), but some rules to consider: - No waivers once playoffs start, thus the team that got you there is the team that needs to win it for you - Waivers for playoff teams only, but players picked up are not eligible to be kept - Waivers for everyone, players picked up are elgible to be kept, dropped players can not be picked up I'm sure there are a ton of other options, but those are three of the more common options I see in keeper leagues. We use option 2 in our keeper league. We expand the rosters by 2-3 spots when the playoffs start and lock the teams not in the playoffs out of adding players. Once a team is out of the playoffs we go back and drop any players they added. some background on why we did this (in case anybody cares) We used to not allow adds during the playoffs except for injuries, if you lost a player (out or on IR). That got to complicated to deal with and we also thought a team in the playoffs should have more flexibility to make their team better during the playoff run. But we didn't want those teams to be able to add a player that might become a stud worth keeping the following year. So we decided to only allow temporary moves during the playoffs to teams in the playoffs. We also don't have these teams dropping anybody to add players. We have a fee for all players added, $2 in the regular season, $5 in the playoffs. We feel that the fee overall and increase in playoffs prevents some of the hoarding of players that could go on (Like adding a player on Tuesday waivers, then drop after last waiver of the week to keep them away from others but not use a roster spot.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Is Near Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 It's a dynasty league. One of the main reasons people play in these leagues is to build their dynasties. It's absolutely a legit move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 It's a dynasty league. One of the main reasons people play in these leagues is to build their dynasties. It's absolutely a legit move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhorn Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Thanks for the advice everyone. I spoke with both of the managers who made the questionable waiver moves. They are picking RG3 and Brown back up and dropping players that will have less of an impact on the playoffs. I contacted the rest of my league informing them of what happened, so that anyone who had put in a waiver claim on those players would understand. Everyone was coll with the idea, so it worked out in the end. I'm definitely going to need to clarify waiver rules and how they apply to the playoffs after this season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Anybody know what the NFL does? Can players be claimed by teams after week 17 that are not in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Here are the rules: According to the NFL's rulebook, "clubs participating in the playoffs are permitted to sign free agents throughout the postseason, but are limited to a total of four free agent signings, including players on other clubs' Practice Squads, during the period that begins at 4 p.m., New York time, on the Wednesday after the final regular season weekend." Teams can not sign more than two such players during any week of the postseason. From this link: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4673681/nfl-rules-on-filling-roster-spot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Here are the rules: According to the NFL's rulebook, "clubs participating in the playoffs are permitted to sign free agents throughout the postseason, but are limited to a total of four free agent signings, including players on other clubs' Practice Squads, during the period that begins at 4 p.m., New York time, on the Wednesday after the final regular season weekend." Teams can not sign more than two such players during any week of the postseason. From this link: http://espn.go.com/b...ing-roster-spot That's what I suspected, so not allowing waiver moves during FF playoffs for teams who are out is just like the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 That's what I suspected, so not allowing waiver moves during FF playoffs for teams who are out is just like the NFL Just because the NFL does something does not neccessarily mean it is right or even good for fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Just because the NFL does something does not neccessarily mean it is right or even good for fantasy. Didn't say it does. Our league has often gone with the way things are done in the NFL when trying to decide on how to handle things. It has worked well for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 - Waivers for everyone, players picked up are elgible to be kept, dropped players can not be picked up We have keeper tiers, with some of the biggest studs not being eligible to be kept, so it happens a lot. AP, Lynch, and Julio were all dropped late. 1. Teams eliminated from the playoffs still get waivers, but only after the still-alive teams. Commish manually changes the waiver order from 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 to the new order of 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 2. All players dropped by eliminated teams may not be played for points. If a dropped player ends up in a lineup by any means, that roster spot will be blanked and not replaced by another scoring player. It's not as much work as you expect. First, we have very self-policing owners that will catch it, and our rules are very clear that owners are responsible for their own submissions and will pay the price for violations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Of course, if you have weekly payouts and a total points payout based on 17 weeks, you can't really limit any teams ability for waiver claims and add/drop during the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Just because the NFL does something does not neccessarily mean it is right or even good for fantasy. You mean like bye weeks in the middle of the season , sure why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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