rush00756 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Just wondering how it has worked out for teams that used this draft strategy. I know most teams start the playoffs this wk, but would you guys use this strategy again if you fall in the right draft spot, or is it more just a hit or miss strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Just wondering how it has worked out for teams that used this draft strategy. I know most teams start the playoffs this wk, but would you guys use this strategy again if you fall in the right draft spot, or is it more just a hit or miss strategy? Maybe I'm just tired reading this, but I have no idea what you mean by "do the opposite" as a draft strategy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Just wondering how it has worked out for teams that used this draft strategy. I know most teams start the playoffs this wk, but would you guys use this strategy again if you fall in the right draft spot, or is it more just a hit or miss strategy? Absolutely, no question about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rush00756 Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 Do the opposite is usually for players who end up drafting at the back half. They focus on taking WR's, a QB and a TE usually in the first 5 rounds. Then rounds say 6-10 just pound RB's. Looking for a high upside guy. Most guys look to get a stud RB, so by doing the opposite, you get elite players at other positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 As I look at the teams that made the playoffs in my leagues, most of them were "opposite" drafters, or only drafted one RB early and waited quite a while for their second. It truly has been a George Costanza fantasy season. (How many people will get that reference?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 As I look at the teams that made the playoffs in my leagues, most of them were "opposite" drafters, or only drafted one RB early and waited quite a while for their second. It truly has been a George Costanza fantasy season. (How many people will get that reference?) Hi, I'm George, I'm unemployed and live with my parents... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awahl63 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) For shiggles...12 team PPR #1 Seed - #10 Pick : Marshawn Lynch + Dez Bryant #2 Seed - #3 Pick: Jamaal Charles + Jimmy Graham #3 Seed - #6 Pick: Lesean McCoy + Victor Cruz #4 Seed - #8 Pick: Trent Richardson + Julio Jones #5 Seed - #9 Pick: Calvin Johnson + Maurice Jones Drew #6 Seed - #12 Pick: Matt Forte + Brandon Marshall I managed to sneak in despite my poopy first two picks (TRich + Julio). Is anybody else having trouble typing? Edited December 6, 2013 by awahl63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Is it still "the opposite" if you've been doing it for years? Or is it "doing the normal" at that point? Seriously, who tracks position/round these days? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 In one of my leagues I took Calvin Johnson with my 1st round pick. I'm in dead last place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joessfl Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 "Opposite" is a pretty vague term. My strategy is never an unwavering "Do the opposite" since I dont know what that means and never will. My typical method is looking at all positions and try to get the best value for the team you are building. It all depends on 10 or 12 team league, what position since back of the draft is for 6-7 to 10-12. In a 10 team league, Position 6 drafts differently I would think than 10. Also, its never a straight easy answer. Pick 1,2,3 is a RB, 4 is a QB and 5 is a WR. You pick 7th, what is the "Opposite" pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thews40 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Doing the opposite IMO means to buck whatever the FF "experts" are advising. This year, it was a heavy dose of gotta have RB's. I think many teams would have wound up better off drafting C. Johnson instead of their first RB pick, but that's hindsight as Johnson has remained healthy. Next year I expect J.Graham to wind up as a consensus first round pick. Receivers like AJ Green and Megatron will probably go top 10. "Stud" RB's on bad teams will probably be drafted sooner than they should be, as some things never change. FWIW I passed on RB's early in the ladder and wound up with Gore and MJD. They had (until last night) remained healthy, with MJD putting up some stinkers early on; what I expected for the most part. There is no crystal ball that can predict a perfect draft as health dictates whether or not a player will even make it to the end, but next year I expect the top 4 TE's to go one round higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Doing the opposite IMO means to buck whatever the FF "experts" are advising. This year, it was a heavy dose of gotta have RB's. I think many teams would have wound up better off drafting C. Johnson instead of their first RB pick, but that's hindsight as Johnson has remained healthy. Next year I expect J.Graham to wind up as a consensus first round pick. Receivers like AJ Green and Megatron will probably go top 10. "Stud" RB's on bad teams will probably be drafted sooner than they should be, as some things never change. FWIW I passed on RB's early in the ladder and wound up with Gore and MJD. They had (until last night) remained healthy, with MJD putting up some stinkers early on; what I expected for the most part. There is no crystal ball that can predict a perfect draft as health dictates whether or not a player will even make it to the end, but next year I expect the top 4 TE's to go one round higher. I believe it refers to doing the opposite of what the other owners are doing (ie you have pick #8 and the first 7 picks are RBs, instead of taking the 8th best RB you do the opposite and take the best WR). At least, in Charchology/FFW that's what it refers to... ETA: I had the 8 pick in in a modified redraft this year. First 7 picks were RBs. I took Megatron. When it came back to me, I took Dez Bryant as I liked him much better than the RBs that were available. Took Josh Gordon later so my WR are my strength. Have gotten enough points out of cobbling together the RB and QB positions to finish 12-4 and win my division. I think the term "do the opposite" has become overused (perhaps this is cause I am in MN and listen to KFAN) and I don't really consider that what I did. I just look at it as pouncing on the value other owners pass up. Edited December 6, 2013 by Delicious_bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 As I look at the teams that made the playoffs in my leagues, most of them were "opposite" drafters, or only drafted one RB early and waited quite a while for their second. It truly has been a George Costanza fantasy season. (How many people will get that reference?) if every instinct you've ever had was wrong...then the opposite would have to be right 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Pick the players that will score the most points and are not going to be busts...I am looking at you Trent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Doing the opposite IMO means to buck whatever the FF "experts" are advising. This year, it was a heavy dose of gotta have RB's. I think many teams would have wound up better off drafting C. Johnson instead of their first RB pick, but that's hindsight as Johnson has remained healthy. Next year I expect J.Graham to wind up as a consensus first round pick. Receivers like AJ Green and Megatron will probably go top 10. "Stud" RB's on bad teams will probably be drafted sooner than they should be, as some things never change. FWIW I passed on RB's early in the ladder and wound up with Gore and MJD. They had (until last night) remained healthy, with MJD putting up some stinkers early on; what I expected for the most part. There is no crystal ball that can predict a perfect draft as health dictates whether or not a player will even make it to the end, but next year I expect the top 4 TE's to go one round higher. Who are the 3rd and 4th TEs that you would prefer over other options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Who are the 3rd and 4th TEs that you would prefer over other options? I expect Julius and Jordan Cameron to go 3 and 4, but I think Jordan Reed will finish next year as TE3. Edited December 8, 2013 by BA Baracus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thews40 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Who are the 3rd and 4th TEs that you would prefer over other options? Gotta wait till next year. Gronk and Graham are a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Gotta wait till next year. Gronk and Graham are a given. Gronk shouldn't be a given any more. Talk about snakebitten... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Gronk shouldn't be a given any more. Talk about snakebitten... The comment was posted before the injury ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I believe it refers to doing the opposite of what the other owners are doing (ie you have pick #8 and the first 7 picks are RBs, instead of taking the 8th best RB you do the opposite and take the best WR). At least, in Charchology/FFW that's what it refers to... ETA: I had the 8 pick in in a modified redraft this year. First 7 picks were RBs. I took Megatron. When it came back to me, I took Dez Bryant as I liked him much better than the RBs that were available. Took Josh Gordon later so my WR are my strength. Have gotten enough points out of cobbling together the RB and QB positions to finish 12-4 and win my division. I think the term "do the opposite" has become overused (perhaps this is cause I am in MN and listen to KFAN) and I don't really consider that what I did. I just look at it as pouncing on the value other owners pass up. Exactly, and it's not like it's some profound philosophy in the first place. Sure, at times you may be smart in taking a better value play at a position when another one is getting towards the end of a tier with more question marks. Isn't that a pretty basic consideration? To take players that you think will give you an edge at that position? But what that doesn't take into account is that you still need to have a plan to address the other positions later. There are also situations where you need to pounce on someone at a particular position going thin, knowing you can more easily fill the other position later. It all depends in your confidence in the players at all positions, as well as your confidence in your ability to fill the other positions adequately later. Knowing whether you need to jump on the tail-end of a run, or whether you should lead the run with a top player at another position, there isn't really a philosophy for that. Do your homework. Do mocks and identify enough sleepers for where you wait. Be conscious of the flow of the draft and what that means for you building the strongest TEAM with your picks later too. Don't focus only on the current pick, unless the player/value is just too good to pass up. You will do yourself no favors if your strong plays early are erased by dead ends later. Drafting is an art, not a science... So no, "upside down drafting" isn't a philosophy, it's a possibility, depending on the flow of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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