keggerz Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 If you read Beyond TDs & Tackles this week you saw where I did an update on the Zero QB Theorem and also asked readers to do some research and email me their results. I've gotten quite a few responses so far, but I'd love to get more. If you would be so kind, I’d like for you to calculate the results of each fantasy matchup in your league this year and subtract the QBs points from the winning team (At max this should take 20-30 minutes to do)…if the team still won then record that in a “still won” column. If they lost, subtract their new total from their opponents total and log that amount in another column titled “point loss differential.” Once you complete that for each game & week take the “still won” column and add up how many games were still won…then divide that number by the total number of games. That will give you your win percentage. The last step is to add up all of your “point loss differentials”, divide by the number of instances and get the average point loss differential. After you do all that I would love for you to email me (gallo AT thehuddle DOT com) your findings. Use this format: Title of email: Zero QB Theorem Research Body of the email: Include number of teams. Scoring system for QBs. Note if the league is a re-draft or dynasty league. If your playoffs are HTH matchups, tell me which QBs made the playoffs and which are playing for the championship this week. Lastly, tell me the records for the teams that drafted: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. If those players were traded notate that too. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondString Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) If you read Beyond TDs & Tackles this week you saw where I did an update on the Zero QB Theorem and also asked readers to do some research and email me their results. I've gotten quite a few responses so far, but I'd love to get more. If you would be so kind, I’d like for you to calculate the results of each fantasy matchup in your league this year and subtract the QBs points from the winning team (At max this should take 20-30 minutes to do)…if the team still won then record that in a “still won” column. If they lost, subtract their new total from their opponents total and log that amount in another column titled “point loss differential.” Once you complete that for each game & week take the “still won” column and add up how many games were still won…then divide that number by the total number of games. That will give you your win percentage. The last step is to add up all of your “point loss differentials”, divide by the number of instances and get the average point loss differential. After you do all that I would love for you to email me (gallo AT thehuddle DOT com) your findings. Use this format: Title of email: Zero QB Theorem Research Body of the email: Include number of teams. Scoring system for QBs. Note if the league is a re-draft or dynasty league. If your playoffs are HTH matchups, tell me which QBs made the playoffs and which are playing for the championship this week. Lastly, tell me the records for the teams that drafted: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. If those players were traded notate that too. Thanks! I know there was a thread on this in the pre-season, and I didn't really follow it then, but I just read the whole article, and I guess my question is, wouldn't you get similar results with a study like this no matter what position you isolated? Your theorem: "If you zero out the quarterback's points on a winning fantasy team, they still win a majority of head-to-head matchups." Substitute any other position for QB, wouldn't the statement still be true? All this tells me is that the margin of victory in head-to-head matches is usually greater than the average QB points produced. In my mind, this doesn't take away from the importance of the position. So what is the benefit of this knowledge/moral of the story? Spend a lower percentage of your auction budget on QB's and don't draft them as highly in snake drafts? Not trying to poke holes in your theory, just trying to understand. Also not trying to open up a whole new can of worms like the discussion that went on in preseason, just looking for a quick explanation of how to use this info. Edited December 21, 2013 by SecondString Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) I know there was a thread on this in the pre-season, and I didn't really follow it then, but I just read the whole article, and I guess my question is, wouldn't you get similar results with a study like this no matter what position you isolated? You would get similar results if you used any other position...however, the additional research pointed out WHY QB and not another position. At the end of the day the moral of the story, and the easiest way to put it, is that the QB position shouldn't be overvalued just because they score so many points. Edited December 21, 2013 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondString Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 You would get similar results if you used any other position..however, the additional research pointed out WHY QB and not another position. At the end of the day the moral of the story, and the easiest way to put it, is that the QB position shouldn't be overvalued just because they score so many points. 10-4...thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Would you want data from a 2 QB league? In my league, with 2 QBs and a generous QB scoring system, most games would probably come out as a loss - but I would still be happy to gather the data if you still would want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 Would you want data from a 2 QB league? In my league, with 2 QBs and a generous QB scoring system, most games would probably come out as a loss - but I would still be happy to gather the data if you still would want it. Sure. What I'd do is subtract the QB pts for both QBs on the winning team. I'd expect a very, very small win %. But what will be key is the average point loss differential. For a 2QB league take that number and divide it by two. That way it will give an average/QB. I'll go from there and see what I find. Also, include the link to your league if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 ... Lastly, tell me the records for the teams that drafted: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. ... Just curious, why the focus on Rodgers when he has missed half the season? I assume it has something to do with his ADP, but what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 Just curious, why the focus on Rodgers when he has missed half the season? I assume it has something to do with his ADP, but what? Correct, has to do with ADP.My original research included average number of wins for the top 3 ADP QBs from 2006 thru 2012. Prior to this season starting m plan was to look at the average wins by the top 3 ADP QBs again. While it is unfortunate that Rodgers got hurt he was still selected as QB1 which means those teams were more than likely built around taking a "stud" QB early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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