BeeR Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 No don't, he's such a McDaniels homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 the defense, while ranked better than last year's, was actually worse in key categories. Ray Horton couldn't somehow use the magic wand he did in AZ with our, arguably, better talent on that side of the ball. No Running game No QB No one other than Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron. It's not all Chud's fault but they went with a high risk, high reward hire and it bit them in the ass. They scurried when Chip Kelly turned them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I don't get how one bad year with jack squat at the so-called skill positions merits a fire, or why Chud was high risk/high reward, or how anyone "knows" it bit them in the ass after one year-? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh2 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 To me, this is why Cleveland will continue to be bad. The ownership and GM have no clue. Nor can they buy a clue... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Ryan is confirmed to have another year. He's like the new Monte Clark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh2 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Chudzinski has been fired.... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10212566/rob-chudzinski-fired-cleveland-browns-head-coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 seriously?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 No and No. Â Â Rex has been retained. Officially announced after the game, but the decision had been made earlier this month, per Woody Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatDude Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Jerry is going to keep Garrett and probably give him a raise and extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I don't get how one bad year with jack squat at the so-called skill positions merits a fire, or why Chud was high risk/high reward, or how anyone "knows" it bit them in the ass after one year-? Â Â They are saying that it's the coach's job to elevate the play of the players, and that he didn't do that well. This is what will happen in Oakland too. Yes, the talent level is bad, but your job as coach is to squeeze some amount of performance out of them, not just roll over and die in week 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Â 1 breaking point for Browns: I'm told a couple weeks back, Chud was told to cut a player (re: accountability) to send a message. He refused. Â Â Two players in particular that the front office didn't feel were held accountable: QB Brandon Weeden and WR Greg Little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Â 1 breaking point for Browns: I'm told a couple weeks back, Chud was told to cut a player (re: accountability) to send a message. He refused. Â Â Two players in particular that the front office didn't feel were held accountable: QB Brandon Weeden and WR Greg Little. Â i didn't know Chud was in charge of player personnel decisions. Something stinks and that sounds more like an excuse than anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 DOWN GOES FRAZIER...DOWN GOES FRAZIER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 RAT Face is NO MORE!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 RAT Face is NO MORE!!!! Â Â But if they don't destroy all of the horcruxes he will just reincarnate... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 i didn't know Chud was in charge of player personnel decisions. Something stinks and that sounds more like an excuse than anything else. Â Agree if they are personnel decisions then why didn't the front office just make the decision and cut those players, overrule the coach. Little was not great but has improved. Bess was a free agent acquisition of the front office and was far worse than Little, he should have been cut midway through the season (Cooper has gotten more playing time and showed some promise). Â Yep and imagine all the great top coaching candidates who will want to take over this train wreck. I'm afraid rumors are probably true, they have already have their guy in waiting (Hoodie Jr.) and he'll be happy to do whatever they ask as payment for getting another chance at HC. Â Seems the Browns will NOT be firing all their assistant coaches at this time. The new HC will get to decide if they want to keep them. Kind of sucks for them, because if that next HC is McDaniels, that may not happen for a few weeks. And by then other new HC will build their staffs leaving them out. Well maybe not so bad, as the Browns say they will be liberal in allowing them to interview for other jobs. http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-browns/cleveland-browns-1.270107/browns-to-retain-assistant-coaches-for-now-new-head-coach-to-decide-if-he-wants-them-1.456012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 RAT Face is NO MORE!!!! Â Entire staff with exception of Raheem Morris (DB coach) and Sean McVay (TE coach) let go too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Agree if they are personnel decisions then why didn't the front office just make the decision and cut those players, overrule the coach. Â i didn't know Chud was in charge of player personnel decisions. Something stinks and that sounds more like an excuse than anything else. Â Â You'd have a mutiny on your hands. It's one thing to make salary cap or free-agent decisions that the coach maybe didn't agree with, but once they players hit the field you HAVE to let the coach call the shots. Look at Oakland and Dallas for examples of what happens when you don't - there's no respect for the coach, no accountability to him. All you can do is suggest/tell the coach to cut the guy and he then decides whether or not to comply and accept the consequences of his decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 You'd have a mutiny on your hands. It's one thing to make salary cap or free-agent decisions that the coach maybe didn't agree with, but once they players hit the field you HAVE to let the coach call the shots. Look at Oakland and Dallas for examples of what happens when you don't - there's no respect for the coach, no accountability to him. All you can do is suggest/tell the coach to cut the guy and he then decides whether or not to comply and accept the consequences of his decision. Â I get that, but what more was he to do with Weeden? He benched him, and only played him when he had no other choices due to injury. As for Little, it could be argued that Bess was much more the dumpster fire...and as for mutiny, if the coach says no to the moves then cut bait then and send the message to the entire organization. It's not like coaches don't get fired mid-season. And if that happened at least Norv had HC experience to handle things on an interim basis. I just think that something smells and we aren't getting the entire story...another thing, if Chud was being insubordinate (that's what it is if he doesn't cut a player management says to cut) then why not fire him for cause and try to not pay him in excess of 10 million dollars? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 i didn't know Chud was in charge of player personnel decisions. Something stinks and that sounds more like an excuse than anything else. Â Yep. HC wasn't the problem. Starts at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Tampa fires Schiano and Dominik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 I, too, believe there is more to the story regarding Chud. Fishy? Smells down right putrid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Schwartz fired by Lions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Joe Phibin and Jeff Ireland could be next on the chopping block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltnlava Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Look out Browns....LOL...*Jaws music*...NORV is available......DO NOT GO INTO THE WATER!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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