Papa Deuce Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I'm guessing that in most leagues he was a 2nd round pick in 2013. I'm thinking he might fall to the lower part of the 4th round in 2014. But I am not so sure that he will be as bad in 2014 because: A: He will be further removed from his injury B: Ravens might address the O-Line in the offseason. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 He's only 26 and will turn 27 in Jan, but has toted the rock nearly 1,800 times. An improved OL will help but I think he's still stinging from the playoff loss to the Bengals where he was left on the sidelines for most of the game. If he somehow gets traded, he'd be great value for a RB needy team (2014 - $4M, 2015/16 - $3M). As far as FF goes, I'd take him if he fell to me in the 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 He could very well bounce back and beast but I am not finding out unless drafting him holds tremendous value for me...which I doubt will happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 He's only 26 and will turn 27 in Jan, but has toted the rock nearly 1,800 times. An improved OL will help but I think he's still stinging from the playoff loss to the Bengals where he was left on the sidelines for most of the game. If he somehow gets traded, he'd be great value for a RB needy team (2014 - $4M, 2015/16 - $3M). As far as FF goes, I'd take him if he fell to me in the 4th. He'd be a $14.25M cap hit if traded - $5.5 MORE than his 2014 cap is scheduled to be. No way he's being traded. He'll be a 4/5 candidate for me, no earlier. He's young, but Taz hit it - he's racking up a lot of miles on those wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Arian Foster is a similar former stud RB with question marks. CJ could also be very interesting considering how hated he is. The potential of him being traded is intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) He'd be a $14.25M cap hit if traded - $5.5 MORE than his 2014 cap is scheduled to be. No way he's being traded. He'll be a 4/5 candidate for me, no earlier. He's young, but Taz hit it - he's racking up a lot of miles on those wheels. No, from a cap standpoint, you save $10,000,000 from 2014-2016 by cutting him. You would have paid the $14,250,000 either way. It's not much of a savings compared to the fixed cost, but it is what it is. People need to forget about the acceleration. With the cap roll over, it's about cash spent, not immediate cap hits. If you worry too much about managing the cap for one year, you'll hurt opportunities in the future. Raven officials should be more worried about Haloti's cap number for next year as apposed to Rice. I'm not saying he should or would be traded, just that trading him is not the big issue most people think it is and while he is still relatively young, albeit with some major tread on the tires, his trade value is worth more for the Ravens than the potential cost of keeping him IMO. Edited January 1, 2014 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 No way he falls to the 4th round ! Mid 3rd maybe ? But no way the 4th in a 12 team league must start 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Or even a must start 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 No, from a cap standpoint, you save $10,000,000 from 2014-2016 by cutting him. No they don't. His 2014 cap number is only scheduled to be $8.75M ($4M base, $3m signing bonus prorate, $1.75M 2013 bonus prorate). If they trade him they have to take a hit against the remaining un-amortized bonuses. That's $14.25M. It's true they would drop the future liability of $10M salary, but that's not even all that much money - to your point of "he'd be a good bargain" - why would they give the good value to someone else and eat the huge cap hit to do it? That's like you putting $100k down on a $150k house and then selling it to someone else to take over the existing mortgage. You would have paid the $14,250,000 either way. It's not much of a savings compared to the fixed cost, but it is what it is. I don't even know what this means. The $14.250 has already been paid (it actually $22M) but they haven't taken the cap hit on all of it. People need to forget about the acceleration. Dude, the acceleration is the entire issue. You can't hand a huge signing bonus to a guy, have him play a year or two, and not take the cap hit for the remaining money. With the cap roll over, it's about cash spent, not immediate cap hits. If you worry too much about managing the cap for one year, you'll hurt opportunities in the future. You have this like 100% backwards. They don't care about next year's cap, they care about the current season. There are ways to solve cap problems later if they pop up, but until they do they aren't going to try to solve them. There's no way they take a $14M hit and not have the player. No way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) I predict he will outperform his draft position. They say he lost his lateral quickness this season. Methinks the hip was bothering him a lot more than we knew. And his o-line was awful. I feel that TRich will also outperform his draft position, after the Colts send him to Sylvan Learning Centers in the offseason to learn their playbook. Edited January 1, 2014 by Tripleshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I predict he will outperform his draft position. They say he lost his lateral quickness this season. Methinks the hip was bothering him a lot more than we knew. And his o-line was awful. I feel that TRich will also outperform his draft position, after the Colts send him to Syvan Learning Centers in the offseason to learn their playbook. The Rice situation smells like Forte a few years back when he was on a bum knee all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 As bad as he was he still finished as a RB2 (#24) in PPR http://football17.myfantasyleague.com/2013/top?L=18712&SEARCHTYPE=BASIC&COUNT=32&YEAR=2013&START_WEEK=1&END_WEEK=16&CATEGORY=overall&POSITION=RB&DISPLAY=points&TEAM=* He'll most likely be a draft day bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Deuce Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 As bad as he was he still finished as a RB2 (#24) in PPR http://football17.my...Y=points&TEAM=* He'll most likely be a draft day bargain. Well, my scoring system isn't like most others, but he was the #22 scoring RB in our league, with about an average of 6 points per week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Crazed Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I put way too much stock in him this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I predict he will outperform his draft position. They say he lost his lateral quickness this season. Methinks the hip was bothering him a lot more than we knew. And his o-line was awful. I feel that TRich will also outperform his draft position, after the Colts send him to Sylvan Learning Centers in the offseason to learn their playbook. I was wayyyy down on Rice this year and endured plenty of cyber-barbs being thrown my way on a couple of boards. Turns out I was kinda right. That said, I agree with the above. I think he'll regress (or I suppose "progress"?) to the mean here and bounce back a little bit. I'm not saying dude is gonna be an RB1 again, but he'll probably inch into an RB2 range, meaning he could be a huge value in PPR formats if you manage to get him late enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I'm not saying dude is gonna be an RB1 again, but he'll probably inch into an RB2 range, meaning he could be a huge value in PPR formats if you manage to get him late enough. he was rb 22 in my pprs this yr which is already a rb2..not a great one I drafted him in the 1st at pick 9 I believe this yr..I'd love to have that back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 he was rb 22 in my pprs this yr which is already a rb2..not a great one I drafted him in the 1st at pick 9 I believe this yr..I'd love to have that back I should have been more clear... heck, I was thinking it as I typed but it didn't make it to my fingers. I meant that he COULD creep into SOLID RB2 territory (say top-20 or 15)... not just barely make a RB2 grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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