flemingd Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Also are you saying BJ is wrong? That's why I said it's misleading. Depending on what you do with the signing bonus lots of different results can be put out. Ryan got a $28M signing bonus with salaries of $2M, $9.5M, $11.5M, $15.75M, $15.75M, and $19.25M. Spreading $28M evenly over the 6 years adds $6.5M per year. Spreading it out over the first three years, however brings their total up to $51M ($17M per year), with the last three being worth $50.75M. It's all how you play with the numbers. edit:He's also due a $12M option bonus next year, so that should probably be included in my first post, putting him at $33M. Edited January 8, 2014 by flemingd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 $27,000,000 Sam Bradford at Quarterback $22,500,000 Matt Schaub at Quarterback $21,500,000 Mark Sanchez at Quarterback $18,000,000 Carson Palmer at Quarterback $6,100,000 Chase Daniel at Quarterback ooof, ugly numbers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordi88 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Cutler has 20 Game Winning Drives and 16 4th quarter comebacks: http://www.pro-footb...player=CutlJa00 both rank in the top 10 among active QBs. FWIW, Drew Brees has played in 5 more seasons and has 34 GWDs. Extrapolated out Cutler would have 32.5 to Brees 34. 4th quarter comeback wise, Brees has 23 and extrapolated out Cutler would be at 26. Also, let me point out that I extrapolated out based on seasons played, not games played/season. He's carried the Bears the last few years. Just look at their record with him as a starter versus without. Looks like I was proven fairly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Looks like I was proven fairly wrong. Yeah, 'cuz "extrapolation" makes perfect sense in every... single... situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Yeah, 'cuz "extrapolation" makes perfect sense in every... single... situation. It allows for a comparison to be made that is easier to see how the numbers correlate. That's all. I guess I could have taken a bunch more time to break down how many GWDs and 4th quarter comebacks each had on a per game basis and then use those numbers for comparisons sake but extrapolating was and is a much easier method to compare the numbers. Edited January 9, 2014 by keggerz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It allows for a comparison to be made that is easier to see how the numbers correlate. That's all. I guess I could have taken a bunch more time to break down how many GWDs and 4th quarter comebacks each had on a per game basis and then use those numbers for comparisons sake but extrapolating was and is a much easier method to compare the numbers. It also doesn't take into account how things can and do change over the course of a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It also doesn't take into account how things can and do change over the course of a season. You're right, and I'm not saying that it has anything to do with future production or the like...It was simply a way to look at 20 (apples) to 34 (oranges) in an apple to apples way. If you don't like looking at it that way, that's fine. But don't act like there isn't any value in using extrapolation to help with a comparison because there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It also doesn't take into account how things can and do change over the course of a season. It's not the intent of extrapolation to be predictive of granular results. It's to create an apples-to-apples comparison. Two data sets aren't ever going to match, but in order to be able to compare them, having a similar sample size is one of the best starting points. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It's not the intent of extrapolation to be predictive of granular results. It's to create an apples-to-apples comparison. Two data sets aren't ever going to match, but in order to be able to compare them, having a similar sample size is one of the best starting points. I understand that. But there are many instances here where it's used inappropriately and quite frankly gets a little ridiculous. I mean, whomper farted 3 times in the past hour. Extrapolated out, that means he's going to fart 26,298 more times this year. Of course, that's not taking into account sleep, adjustments in his diet, "SBD" vs. audible, ones he can safely blame on the dog/wife/kids etc. In this case, I suppose it's an apt tool to try comparing apples to apples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 When I projected Cutler over 16 games I was surprised to find out he only averaged 238/game. A quick scan of McCown's starts shows the best D he faced was Bal, and had GB, Was, Dal & Min in his spate of starts which was probably the softest part of the Bears schedule vs passing Ds. That's why it isn't apples to apples but I would guess Cutler's average would have gone up facing those boxes of tissues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I understand that. But there are many instances here where it's used inappropriately and quite frankly gets a little ridiculous. Yeah but if you take the times it's not used inappropriately and extrapolate it across the entire forums... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltnlava Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Smokin' Jay has enough $$$$ for a lot of "smokes" for the next 6 years...Good for him. Chiberia should be in the Superbowl next year or it's all moot. Marshall and Forte PLUS Smokin' Jay should be enough right??? After all you have Hester too ....oh and Gould. This is a thread to dig up next year as he IS back in the qb seat for at least the first 5 games or so. Address the D and you should have it all right? Oh wait there's the o'line too ..well it'll work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Smokin' Jay has enough $$$$ for a lot of "smokes" for the next 6 years...Good for him. Chiberia should be in the Superbowl next year or it's all moot. Marshall and Forte PLUS Smokin' Jay should be enough right??? After all you have Hester too ....oh and Gould. This is a thread to dig up next year as he IS back in the qb seat for at least the first 5 games or so. Address the D and you should have it all right? Oh wait there's the o'line too ..well it'll work out. Don't forget A.Jeffery and Bennett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltnlava Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Don't forget A.Jeffery and Bennett Thanx...I did forget....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I come from the football school as well. Some people who haven't played the game and think this is a bad move. It's the going rate for a good QB and he's a good QB. The contract is relatively low risk and won't kill them down the road. He's maturing in many facets of his life, including his quarterbacking skills. He can make every single throw and he's with a coach that really wants him. If Bears fans don't like the signing, I'd suggest they just like to complain. Funny how opinions are... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltnlava Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I come from the football school as well. Some people who haven't played the game and think this is a bad move. It's the going rate for a good QB and he's a good QB. The contract is relatively low risk and won't kill them down the road. He's maturing in many facets of his life, including his quarterbacking skills. He can make every single throw and he's with a coach that really wants him. If Bears fans don't like the signing, I'd suggest they just like to complain. Funny how opinions are... Well as long as the contract won't kill them.....If this is the bar we've set then no wonder there's parity. lol I get what your'e saying. Don't agree but understand. This will be a great read next year I'd think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordi88 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah, 'cuz "extrapolation" makes perfect sense in every... single... situation. I made my post under the assumption that Cutler rarely put on comeback wins, and even without the extrapolation I was proven wrong. I stand by my statistical analysis that he is completely mediocre relative to all season long. Perhaps they wouldn't be down for him to have to comeback if he didn't suck the rest of the game. This is why I said fairly wrong because he has some clutch in him. Hes still meh and vastly overpaid for what he brings since looking season to season you could get his production off the free agent market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I mean, whomper farted 3 times in the past hour. Extrapolated out, that means he's going to fart 26,298 more times this year. Of course, that's not taking into account sleep, adjustments in his diet, "SBD" vs. audible, ones he can safely blame on the dog/wife/kids etc. Tim Tebow had 6 game-winning drives in one season - so extrapolated out, that means he would have 72 of such drives in 12 seasons compared to Brees' 34 over the same span. Hmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I have been. No real issues with him, he's tough as nails IMO and while he makes mistakes you're in no position to be very snarky about him with Romo on your squad. Cutlers never had a season passer rating over 90Romos never had a season passer rating under 90 Cutlers had one 4000 yd season Romo has had 4 Romos never had a completion % under 60 Cutlers had 2 in the last 3 yrs Cutlers had 75 picks in the last 5 seasons Romos had 55 Cutlers thrown for over 25 td's in a season once Romos done it 6 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Cutlers never had a season passer rating over 90 Romos never had a season passer rating under 90 Cutlers had one 4000 yd season Romo has had 4 Romos never had a completion % under 60 Cutlers had 2 in the last 3 yrs Cutlers had 75 picks in the last 5 seasons Romos had 55 Cutlers thrown for over 25 td's in a season once Romos done it 6 times Yikes ETA: Although you know, it's obviously the fault of his WRs and the people around him Edited January 9, 2014 by bud29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Why are we talking about Romo again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Why are we talking about Romo again? Because this thread is about mediocre QBs making bank. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Because this thread is about mediocre QBs making bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Cutlers never had a season passer rating over 90 Romos never had a season passer rating under 90 Cutlers had one 4000 yd season Romo has had 4 Romos never had a completion % under 60 Cutlers had 2 in the last 3 yrs Cutlers had 75 picks in the last 5 seasons Romos had 55 Cutlers thrown for over 25 td's in a season once Romos done it 6 times 4 full years since you've been above .500. 4 straight years of 500 or better with an NFC Championship game appearance. I'll take the latter all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 4 full years since you've been above .500. 4 straight years of 500 or better with an NFC Championship game appearance. I'll take the latter all the way. Who wouldn't? Which it is why it is a completely pointless post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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