archiebonker Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Like to hear some ideas from you guys. How are you going to run your kicker points if the NFL takes away the extra point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I'd recommend just dropping them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I'd recommend just dropping them I've seen some opining for not using them and actually there are leagues out there that don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I'm not pro-kicker (and getting rid of them altogether might really be the best option), but a few other ideas/thoughts that came to mind.... - Give the kicker the one point automatically, just like the team gets it automatically. Nothing changes, basically, except they don't have to actually kick to get the XP. - For leagues that already utilize a combined Defense/Special Teams, include FG points in this as well. Of course, this would be difficult unless the websites (MFL, ESPN, Sportsline, etc.) offer this option. It would also change the value of the D/ST significantly, unless other scoring factors were adjusted accordingly. - Find a way to award kicker points for something else, to make up the difference for the XP being gone. For example, a half point per touchback. If the NFL does away with one formality (that kickers were getting points for), we might as well award them points for something else that's basically automatic, right? - Some leagues (very few, I realize) utilize punters, and give them points for yardage. Not sure if this is an option, but a K/P combination might work. My only thinking there is that, if a kicker isn't kicking any FG's (and could therefore get a goose egg), there is a good chance the punter is getting more work. Again, these are just random thoughts... I'm not at all advocating that the kicker position is a must for fantasy purposes. Edited January 24, 2014 by Gopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Why change anything ? They get points for FG's and that's it , no changes need to be made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Why change anything ? They get points for FG's and that's it , no changes need to be made this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 First I'll worry about when the rules change, they won't so I'm not going to spend much energy spinning alternatives. Second I doubt we'd get rid of kickers, maybe increase FG scoring or if possible award them that 1 point per TD scored (no matter how the TD is scored). The latter of course depends on several factors including official NFL scoring, fantasy league scoring options etc. Another question (if you want to worry about FF implications of this POSSIBLE change) is what do you do if NFL and their stats arm award points to some other player for the XP? Or makes TDs worth 7 when you decline to go for 2, vs. 6 when you go for 2pt conv? Personally a ridiculous and very unlikely rule change isn't worth spending my time and energy on any further. If it happens, then maybe I'll give it some more thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The more I think about it, I think the NFL still has to award the one point to the kicker. It would just screw up all of the scoring stats to award the scoring player 7 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Why change anything ? They get points for FG's and that's it , no changes need to be made Go read DMD's article... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I advocate the elimination of kickers in all of my leagues as it is already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Go read DMD's article... I did when it was first posted and sorry it still does not change my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I sort of like eliminating them as a separate position and making them a part of special teams/defense. Adding in kicker points would make it much higher scoring and in many leagues DEF go last too because they score so low. Or maybe make special teams one individual position getting FG pts and kick/punt return pts and leave DEF as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I sort of like eliminating them as a separate position and making them a part of special teams/defense. Adding in kicker points would make it much higher scoring and in many leagues DEF go last too because they score so low. Or maybe make special teams one individual position getting FG pts and kick/punt return pts and leave DEF as is. All combining them does is increase the scoring of the position, it doesn't really do much for the "value" of it. Both positions are very flat in terms of value anyway (looking at Huddle default scoring and using worst starter method), with only about a 30 point difference from the top scoring kicker or defense and the 12th scoring kicker or defense (other than KC this past season, which was 68 points better than the 12th defense). Combined, the top scoring combo (the Chiefs thanks to their D) was only 51 points (3ppg) better than the #12 combo, and only 29 points separated the #3 combo from the #12 combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 We will award zero points for a non-attempted extra point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Wow I just thought of something , each TD will be worth 7pts , if they go for two and miss , then there is a 1pt deduction So who is that 1pt deducted from ( FF ) the RB that ran it in ? the WR that caught the TD ? the QB that threw it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Wow I just thought of something , each TD will be worth 7pts , if they go for two and miss , then there is a 1pt deduction So who is that 1pt deducted from ( FF ) the RB that ran it in ? the WR that caught the TD ? the QB that threw it ? Who says you have to change anything about your FF scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Who says you have to change anything about your FF scoring? you don't I guess if you set it up for auto 7pts I guess , and in our case would give QB's 5 instead of 4 to keep the point differential closer ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) If the NFL feels compelled to change things: - all TDs worth 7 points - eliminate the 2 point conversion - if the specialist (PK) kicks the XP, it is worth 1 point - if the player that scored the TD kicks it, the XP is worth 3 points ... that way from the FF perspective, we still get some non-FG scoring from PKs and the fun of watching some non-PKs try XPs. Overall, I still think this is further 'progress' down the road where: - pro football = golden egg-laying goose - Goodell/owners = axe E2A: oops, this probably belongs in the other XP thread. Edited January 24, 2014 by ts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I think its kind of funny how with one week to the biggest game of the year (real football not fantasy) and there more talk about some rule proposal that at best has a 50-50 chance of passing. I will stand with the "change nothing in FF scoring" group. That one point is just lost scoring, since the kicker doesn't kick it why should he get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Wow I just thought of something , each TD will be worth 7pts , if they go for two and miss , then there is a 1pt deduction So who is that 1pt deducted from ( FF ) the RB that ran it in ? the WR that caught the TD ? the QB that threw it ? Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Huh? Drunk , leave me alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byroz Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 i dont see why they would take it away. yes usually it is automatic..but it still gives the defense a chance to win say the game is tied with the XP being good it gives the defense to make a play and possibly block it and essentially win. why fix something if its not broken? i feel like the NFL is trying to mess with something just for hondas and giggles. its fine the way it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Can always go with distance of FG. Score more for longer FGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 But that is even harder to forecast. Kickers are bad enough to guess on and relying only on FG are just really tough to guess each week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 But that is even harder to forecast. Kickers are bad enough to guess on and relying only on FG are just really tough to guess each week. I don't know how long I've been playing but its been awhile..I think I can count on one hand how many times I've won or lost based on extra pts by a kicker vs my opponents extra pts by a kicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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