BA Baracus Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Rice has plead not guilty to the aggravated assault charge. Good luck with that, brah. It all depends on how well (and if) the wife can lie on the stand. "Your honor, me and ray-ray was just practicing our kong-fu in the elevator" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 And this is what he will get. Nothing is going to happen to him, just some anger management courses: If Ray Rice is approved for pretrial intervention, he would receive probation without jail and undergo anger management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 It all depends on how well (and if) the wife can lie on the stand. "Your honor, me and ray-ray was just practicing our kong-fu in the elevator" I could be wrong but because they are married I don't think they can make her testify against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I could be wrong but because they are married I don't think they can make her testify against him. Exactly and such quick marriages at least always look like a way to stay out of jail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfv87 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Corey Cove on KFAN in Mpls this morning made a good point... Ray Rice accused of knocking out his wife, committing a crime, assault is lawyering up to find a way to beat it and still be able to earn millions of dollars playing football, Chris cook same thing... lots of players that smoke pot, DUI, gun related stuff, bomb threat a plane... they get zero to 1 yr suspensions... then reinstated. Sterling expresses an opinion, albeit a racist and reprehensible one, but an opinion. Which in our country is allowed by LAW. He did not incite riots with his hate speech, just expressed his horrible thought... LIfetime ban and being likely forced to sell his team and a $2.5MM fine. Umm OK... How does that work? As they stated on the radio, Don't get me wrong Racism is Horrible and has no place in society, but how is it that spousal abuse, drugs, guns, gangs etc are OK? Is it because we can find other rich people to own sports teams easier than we can find athletes to run or catch a ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The NBA is a basketball association. Obviously it follows the laws but it can also setup laws allowing certain people to be owners in the association and allow members or owners to keep their ownership within the association. However, it can be very difficult to "force" someone to sell. Apparently, if a team's value is taking a measurable hit meaning that the value decreases due to an owners action, a court of law or arbitrator and the association can force a member to sell. Basically he can either sell and make 700M or close to 1B now, or not sell and watch the value of his team drop (like it currently is as sponsors are pulling out), then he will be forced to sell the team. If the value is minimal and ultimately cannot be proven that it was because of an owners action then he can't be forced to sell. This was also on the radio yesterday 99.9 the FAN in Raleigh, NC. There could be other loopholes, but this seemed pretty legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfv87 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 NAUGRAD, I get that... but the "life time ban and forced to sell your team" I mean his comments were reprehensible, but so is beating a wife/spouse/GF whatever. That is now not even going to be a suspension if charges are bought off... errr I mean "not filed due to a marriage". Does not seem to be equal. Maybe it is the apple & oranges of the two events but seems like while both were bad if I was on the jury for both I would rate one as more severe and that is not the way the public is rating them... IN the end both are wrong to do and have no place in society. I guess getting one of them out is better than neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 dvf87, You are right that some situations are dealt with differently than others, but that doesn't mean the lesser (or no) punishment in beating the spouse, DUI, drug use, etc. are right. Too many celebrities from all walks of life are treated too leniently. Until those people seriously threaten the bottom line of their employer their value is deemed to more important than punishing them for their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfv87 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) I hope i did not give the impression I felt like it was OK to commit any crime... just the seemingly non comparable penalties for an opinion versus an action, or more specifically a moral violation but legal and stupid (sterling) to a moral and legal violation (rice). Both should IMO lose their jobs within the world of sports but that is not how it works in the real world I guess. Edited May 5, 2014 by dfv87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I hope i did not give the impression I felt like it was OK to commit any crime... just the seemingly non comparable penalties for an opinion versus an action, or more specifically a moral violation but legal and stupid (sterling) to a moral and legal violation (rice). Both should IMO lose their jobs within the world of sports but that is not how it works in the real world I guess. Completely agree with this. Both are rediculous and both should be punished hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagekingchi Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) We all know freedom of speech is protected by law, but not in a literal sense. The Supreme Court has ruled that other public interests are more important and supersede freedom of speech (such as national security, justice or personal safety). That being said, no matter the circumstance you will and should always be held accountable for what you say. Does Sterling have the right to say what he said? Yes, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't suffer the consequences and fallout for saying stupid and hurtful things. As NAUgrad said, the NBA is an association and they reserve the right to create their own rules that everyone must abide by in addition to the laws of this country. If you break those rules or your actions are a detriment to the association you can and will be banned. It's the same reason that owners vote on if they should allow a new owner into the association when a team becomes available to purchase. It does NOT go to the highest bidder. It goes to the person who can not only afford to pay the price, but is also viewed as someone the association wants to include in their private little group. As for a guy like Ray Rice, I think he deserves to be banned or suspended by the league (not to mention get the snot knocked out of him). Edited May 14, 2014 by sausagekingchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Sterling is being treated more harshly because it involves one of the biggest issues, black-vs-white on a grand stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennykravitz2004 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 ESPN reporting Rice receives a 2 game suspension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 ESPN reporting Rice receives a 2 game suspension He drills his girl in the face and receives a slap on the wrist. ... fitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 He drills his girl in the face and receives a slap on the wrist. ... fitting Was that also a sex tape they found on the two? Cause I didn't see this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I don't recall hearing that he hit her in the face, but know there was a physical altercation involving the couple and that both had hit the other. (Don't recall hearing that she faced any charges though.) According to this "There were some in NFL circles who speculated that Rice could be facing a far lengthier suspension from Goodell, who undoubtedly reviewed the ugly video – published by TMZ -- of the Raven dragging his seemingly-unconscious then-fiancee out of the casino elevator. However, it probably helped the running back’s cause that he was a first-time offender and he previously had a strong off-the-field reputation, built on his multiple community efforts. Rice and his wife also have undergone counseling and say that their relationship has grown from the incident. Over the past three years, only four NFL players have gotten suspensions by Goodell that exceeded four games and all were considered repeat offenders" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Knock out a woman = 2 game suspension Smoke the chronic = 1 yr suspension Watching Goodell squirm as reporters ask him how the punishment fits the crime = priceless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) If they're trucking stupid enough to keep smoking that honda and continually get caught when teams are willing to pay them millions, then they deserve that year suspension. Seriously, its not like they're quitting heroin or some honda. Edited July 25, 2014 by Def. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) If they're trucking stupid enough to keep smoking that honda and continually get caught when teams are willing to pay them millions, then they deserve that year suspension. Seriously, its not like they're quitting heroin or some honda. Why is everybody griping about this and saying that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. They are all missing the fact that one is a repeat offender, breaking rules over and over after getting caught and the other is a first time offender. Who immediately admitted he made a mistake and went for counseling. (Whose wife also says it was the frist and only time he got physical and that they are in a better place now). But then I guess for those that just want to bitch about Goodell any decision is fair game. If he gave Rice a 4 or 8 game suspension we'd be hearing complaints about it being too much, and how Goodell is ruining the game. Edited July 25, 2014 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Why is everybody griping about this and saying that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. They are all missing the fact that one is a repeat offender, breaking rules over and over after getting caught and the other is a first time offender. Who immediately admitted he made a mistake and went for counseling. (Whose wife also says it was the frist and only time he got physical and that they are in a better place now). But then I guess for those that just want to bitch about Goodell any decision is fair game. If he gave Rice a 4 or 8 game suspension we'd be hearing complaints about it being too much, and how Goodell is ruining the game. And on the flip side, you'd defend him even if Rice had knocked out your spouse. A 2 game suspension for knocking out a woman is just trucking disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 And on the flip side, you'd defend him even if Rice had knocked out your spouse. A 2 game suspension for knocking out a woman is just trucking disgraceful. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Knock out a woman = 2 game suspension Smoke the chronic = 1 yr suspension Watching Goodell squirm as reporters ask him how the punishment fits the crime = priceless He's just setting the bar low for when he was to punish Jim Irsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 And on the flip side, you'd defend him even if Rice had knocked out your spouse. A 2 game suspension for knocking out a woman is just trucking disgraceful. Not sure what you're basing that on. I guess you think you know me pretty well. I've stated many times I am not defending him, or saying it is ok to hit women. (It isn't ok for women to hit men, or men to hit each other, etc.) I just think the NFL was lenient and gave their reasons. Other cases don't deserve leniency because of repeat offenders and past history. But alas nobody cares, he hit his fiance (knocked her out, punched her in the face and dragged her out the elevator). Everybody is so affected by seeing the video they cannot think clearly. And of course you've still got a major issue with everything Goodell does so you'll pile on any issue that criticizes him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) More evidence of just how stupid this has become, the cartoon in the linked story, nobody has every been suspended for 16 games for their first offense of smoking Josh Gordon. But none of that cares, attention grabbing headlines and mass exaggeration is what people want these days. http://www.cleveland...#incart_opinion ETA Anybody have actual photo evidence of him knocking his wife out? All I've ever seen is the after video of her being dragged from an elevator. All this talk of how he punched her in the face and knocked her out is based on what? Edited July 29, 2014 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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