darin3 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Would Gordon be able to play in an Arena League? Maybe - but not the CFL. Gordon asked to play in the CFL and CFL confirmed that given their current rules he could not play during his suspended season if he was still under NFL contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 So the drug testing policies of the state of Ohio would override those of the NFL substance abuse policy? And nobody has ever pursued that angle before? How it that the NFL can make PEDs against their rules and punish players, are they illegal in Ohio and every other state where an NFL team is HQ? Just sounds like another last ditch effort (and all rumor at this point, I may believe it more if a lawsuit is filed). Maybe I'm just tired of all the drama and indecision and want it over with. Bring on football games, this off season has been too much. Pat williams and kevin williams did this, were able to play for 2.5 years before serving their suspension, and being turned down for the cfl just helps his case (if he sues) as it shows irreparable harm to his career, as the testing levels were far below state guidelines and in ohio both tests must be positive for a positive test result. His testing limits if I recall correctly were 1/10th the state guidelines and just over 1/4 of what is allowable in the Olympics. The nfl imposed a 15 microgram level on him, state levels are 150 micrograms and Olympic levels are 50 micrograms. There is precedence for this, but he needs to file soon, if it's going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Pat williams and kevin williams did this, were able to play for 2.5 years before serving their suspension, and being turned down for the cfl just helps his case (if he sues) as it shows irreparable harm to his career, as the testing levels were far below state guidelines and in ohio both tests must be positive for a positive test result. His testing limits if I recall correctly were 1/10th the state guidelines and just over 1/4 of what is allowable in the Olympics. The nfl imposed a 15 microgram level on him, state levels are 150 micrograms and Olympic levels are 50 micrograms. There is precedence for this, but he needs to file soon, if it's going to happen. I don't remember the details fot he Williams case but if they ultimitately lost their court battle and had to serve their suspensions it would seem that the precedence is state laws and limits do not apply to the testing procedures agreed to between NFLPA and NFL as part of the CBA or other contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Deuce Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I drafted Gordon as my 6th WR last night in a keeper league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I drafted Gordon as my 6th WR last night in a keeper league. What round was that? What sort of players did you draft after him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I don't remember the details fot he Williams case but if they ultimitately lost their court battle and had to serve their suspensions it would seem that the precedence is state laws and limits do not apply to the testing procedures agreed to between NFLPA and NFL as part of the CBA or other contracts. If you don't remember the details, why make and bold such a definitive statement? There are a dozen reason why they might have lost, that's a terrible assumption to make, and it's potentially very misleading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Deuce Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 What round was that? What sort of players did you draft after him? round 19 of 22..... after that I picked a K and a D,,,, and Carlos Hyde 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) I don't remember the details fot he Williams case but if they ultimitately lost their court battle and had to serve their suspensions it would seem that the precedence is state laws and limits do not apply to the testing procedures agreed to between NFLPA and NFL as part of the CBA or other contracts. Williams case was appealed to the state supreme court and he had retired by the time it got there, so NO technically he never served the suspension, I should have been clearer in my post when I wrote they served their suspensions 2.5 years later Edited September 3, 2014 by millworkguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Gordon will be back. Not so sure about Blackmon. By all indications, Blackmon has the disease, whereas Gordon just hangs with the wrong crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bturner2 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Looks like that lawsuit may not be on its way. I don't think my league gives points for selling cars -- probably time to officially rule him out for the year. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11464271/suspended-cleveland-browns-wr-josh-gordon-gets-job-car-salesman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Looks like that lawsuit may not be on its way. I don't think my league gives points for selling cars -- probably time to officially rule him out for the year. http://espn.go.com/n...ob-car-salesman Never heard of the place and I live in NE Ohio (Akron) and been around much of the area. Looking them up they appear to be pretty small and in a rather small town (Alliance while Randolph is the sticks). Not sure who I'd rather have as my spokesman Gordon, or this guy http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-summit/bath-twp-police-former-navy-seal-chris-heben-lied-about-getting-shot-at-west-market-plaza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I've heard of Randolph...it's near Kent. Heben's an idiot and I would rather have Gordon endorsing my business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I've heard of Randolph...it's near Kent. Heben's an idiot and I would rather have Gordon endorsing my business Yeah I've heard of Randolp and Alliance, but knew this wasn't one of the really big area auto dealers (Spitzer, etc.) Agree on Heben, his story sounded fishy from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 No, never heard of the Auto Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fig19 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/293845/report-gordon-welker-bans-could-be-reduced Still hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/293845/report-gordon-welker-bans-could-be-reduced Still hope Always. #FreeJoshGordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do Work Son Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I'm torn...only guys that I could drop are Mike Evans and Jordan Matthews(both have upside). Gordon is available but I just cant see this actually happening. I'm going to gamble and leave him out there. **fingers crossed** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I dropped Ladarius Green for him, no big loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 dropped kelce for him in one league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rileyrott Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I dropped Maquise Lee for him (WR5). It's worth the gamble considering I drafted Lee at 16.12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Was drafted in our league and that owner did it for his long term keeper value. He doesn't expect him to play this year and doubt he'll cut him. But the chance is still very slim that he plays this year. Is there a precedent where the NFL changed rules and made them retroactive and reduced suspensions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Dropped reggie Wayne for him in a keeper league where I am loaded at WR (green, Julio jones, Allen, Andre Johnson, and Michael Floyd) Willing to risk what I'll say is a 10% max chance he plays this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennykravitz2004 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Willing to risk what I'll say is a 10% max chance he plays this season IMHO, I'm curious how much ego Goodell has about undoing the suspensions he was judge, jury, and executioner over. Not saying right or wrong, as it was agreed to in the collective agreement. Having said that, Goodell does work for the owners, and if they want their superstars to play... Goodell may have no choice. I think both Gordon and Welker play week 1. Just a gut feeling the league makes the change. http://espn.go.com/n...rug-suspensions NFLPA chief DeMaurice Smith told a Washington radio station Friday that, in talks with the NFL about a new policy for performance-enhancing drugs, the union will seek to reverse suspensions that occurred this year but are based retroactively to the previous policy. "We don't want players to suffer because the union and league couldn't get it done before the league year," Smith told 106.7 The Fan, adding that the union would not agree to any policy that punishes players on simply being arrested. ESPN's Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter reported Thursday that the NFL is seeking to be able to punish players after an arrest but before the legal process plays out. The negotiations have been described as "fragile." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) that says performance-enhancing drugs. Welker and Gordon aren't suspended for PEDs Maybe Welker is, not sure... Edited September 6, 2014 by loaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 that says performance-enhancing drugs. Welker and Gordon aren't suspended for PEDs Maybe Welker is, not sure... Welker is suspended under the PED policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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