Zooty Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 You would have to be blind not to see the impact Watt has on the game But some people think Demarco Murray, Luck and even Rivers are making a bigger impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) Slip made him look bad not once but twice. Ended up sitting on his rump twice. Wasn't all that dominating against the Cowboys. Just sayin......... Murray or Luck would have my vote right now. If I could give it to our O line I would. I think it's kind of silly talking about this 5 week into the season. Edited October 12, 2014 by Cowboyz1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Brian Hoyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Murray and Luck were the two names that popped out in my mind, but I'll admit that I haven't watched as much football this year as in years past. Watt was unreal in prime time on Thursday though - virtually carried the Texans back into the game. It's hard to know how to compare an offensive player's impact compared to a defensive player. I have a hard time imagining Murray winning because the offensive line really deserves a lot of credit. I could see Murray getting hurt and the Cowboys still being okay. Have a much, much harder time seeing that with Luck getting hurt. And if Watt isn't playing that game on Thursday, the Colts would have probably won going away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 But some people think Demarco Murray, Luck and even Rivers are making a bigger impact Not sure I agree. No doubt Murray and Luck are having huge impacts on their respective teams and should be in the MVP conversation. I am a little less convinced about Rivers as I think he has benefitted from a somewhat softer schdule. Unfortunatley for Watt his impact hasn't been enough to get Houston more wins and that makes his mountain to the MVP even more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Slip made him look bad not once but twice. Ended up sitting on his rump twice. Wasn't all that dominating against the Cowboys. Just sayin......... Murray or Luck would have my vote right now. If I could give it to our O line I would. I think it's kind of silly talking about this 5 week into the season. And how many times has Murray put the ball on the carpet? Expecting Watt to make every single play is just silly especially when you consider he has to fight through double and triple teams. For me personally I have been more impressed with the dominance of Watt than I have the running of Murray and the passing of Luck. But as you have said ... we are only 5 weeks into the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondString Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Would be cool to give it to a defensive player. No doubt he deserves it....so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 But some people think Demarco Murray, Luck and even Rivers are making a bigger impact I'll go with JJ Watt being MVP so far. But you just inadvertently laid out the problem. MVP voters want players who impact their teams enough where it leads to wins. For all of JJ Watt's awesomeness; Houston is a 500 team. Guys like Murray, Luck, Rivers and other players are leading their teams to wins. For all of Watt's awesomeness on defense; he's still a guy on defense studding out to the point where his team doesn't completely suck balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 I'll go with JJ Watt being MVP so far. But you just inadvertently laid out the problem. MVP voters want players who impact their teams enough where it leads to wins. For all of JJ Watt's awesomeness; Houston is a 500 team. Guys like Murray, Luck, Rivers and other players are leading their teams to wins. For all of Watt's awesomeness on defense; he's still a guy on defense studding out to the point where his team doesn't completely suck balls. Kind of a historic problem with QBs getting too much credit for wins and too much for losses. Or guys with their 4th QB comebacks.....maybe if they were better the first 3 quarters they wouldn't need to comeback. Maybe Hou would be 1-4 without Watt? It's not like he isn't trying, he has as many receiving TDs as Andre Johnson this season. And he has 3 on the year. 3 TDs for a DE....think about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Not sure I agree. No doubt Murray and Luck are having huge impacts on their respective teams and should be in the MVP conversation. I am a little less convinced about Rivers as I think he has benefitted from a somewhat softer schdule. Unfortunatley for Watt his impact hasn't been enough to get Houston more wins and that makes his mountain to the MVP even more difficult. Rivers did go for 280 and 3 TD's and 0 int's against the world champs. He's got my vote right now. I agree it probably should be Watt, but I doubt it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipperSD Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) Andrew Luck: 66.2 Comp % 1,987 Yds 17 TD 7 INT 99.6 QBR Phillip Rivers: 70.3 Comp % 1,443 Yds 12 TD 2 INT 116.3 QBR Demarco Murray: 130 ATT 670 Yds 5.2 YPC 5 TD 1 FUM 15 REC 124 YDS JJ Watt: 26 COMB 9 AST 4.0 SACK 6 PD 1 INT 2 FR 1 BK 3 TD(INT/FR/REC) My vote is for Phillip Rivers, but I'm bias lol Edited October 12, 2014 by KipperSD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think Watt will break the season sack record at some point. Maybe not this year, but within the next 3 years would not surprise me one bit. He's been dominating even with Clowney injured, imagine if he can get healthy and that other threat is there to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Voted Watt but he won't win it by seasons end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) But some people think Demarco Murray making a bigger impact 100 on the ground 6 games straight, only player other than Jim Brown to do it Edited October 16, 2014 by HowboutthemCowboys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 No love for the Cowboys but it has to be Murray - he's playing completely out of his ass right now. JJ Watt seems unnatural. I'm not buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Voted Watt but he won't win it by seasons end. Possibly, but Murray won't be healthy by seasons end either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Gotta go with Murray at this point. He has dragged America's 4th most popular team back to relevance. No doubt Watt is spectacular but Murray is most valuable to America's 4th most popular team. Without him they would be the same old mediocre overhyped dysfunctional play toy of an egomaniac old windbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 But some people think Demarco Murray, Luck and even Rivers are making a bigger impact I don't think anybody said that, did they? But, like others have alluded to, voters tend to vote certain positions (mainly QB). Not to mention, nobody really agrees (or knows for certain) what the criteria for winning these types of awards should be. In other words, does the winner have to play for a team with a winning record? A playoff team? Or, are we/they just voting on the player that is the best at their position (head and shoulders above the others at that position)? Or, is it the player who "impacts" the game the most? In that case, I would argue that there probably should have been some offensive linemen in the conversation, in past years. But, in all reality, that would/will never be the case. If defensive players are ignored, offensive line are ignored ten-fold. And how many times has Murray put the ball on the carpet? Expecting Watt to make every single play is just silly especially when you consider he has to fight through double and triple teams. For me personally I have been more impressed with the dominance of Watt than I have the running of Murray and the passing of Luck. But as you have said ... we are only 5 weeks into the season. This is my problem with saying Murray is the MVP. Doesn't he lead the league in fumbles? That would be like saying that Watt deserves it, even though he leads the league in penalties, or missed tackles. I don't think an "MVP" should lead the league in mistakes, essentially. Gotta go with Murray at this point. He has dragged America's 4th most popular team back to relevance. No doubt Watt is spectacular but Murray is most valuable to America's 4th most popular team. Without him they would be the same old mediocre overhyped dysfunctional play toy of an egomaniac old windbag. Ummm, no. Like Keg said, what Murray has done isn't that much of a surprise. The Cowboys are running the ball down opponents' throats, no doubt. But, it's been the defense that has made the difference, between previous years and this one. In other words, when you can't stop anybody, you're forced to either play from behind, or you get into shootout situations. In either case, the Cowboys have typically had to pass more than they would have liked, in past years. This year, with the defense playing well, they're able to run as much as they want, and the numbers show that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpayers Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I don't think anybody said that, did they? But, like others have alluded to, voters tend to vote certain positions (mainly QB). Not to mention, nobody really agrees (or knows for certain) what the criteria for winning these types of awards should be. In other words, does the winner have to play for a team with a winning record? A playoff team? Or, are we/they just voting on the player that is the best at their position (head and shoulders above the others at that position)? Or, is it the player who "impacts" the game the most? In that case, I would argue that there probably should have been some offensive linemen in the conversation, in past years. But, in all reality, that would/will never be the case. If defensive players are ignored, offensive line are ignored ten-fold. This is my problem with saying Murray is the MVP. Doesn't he lead the league in fumbles? That would be like saying that Watt deserves it, even though he leads the league in penalties, or missed tackles. I don't think an "MVP" should lead the league in mistakes, essentially. Ummm, no. Like Keg said, what Murray has done isn't that much of a surprise. The Cowboys are running the ball down opponents' throats, no doubt. But, it's been the defense that has made the difference, between previous years and this one. In other words, when you can't stop anybody, you're forced to either play from behind, or you get into shootout situations. In either case, the Cowboys have typically had to pass more than they would have liked, in past years. This year, with the defense playing well, they're able to run as much as they want, and the numbers show that. Fair point. However, a case can be made that the inverse is true. Due to Murray's solid consistency they can control the ball and clock thus keeping their D off the field. In addition, the stout running game decreases the need to rely on Romo and his inevitable mistakes which puts the D in shootout situations. The D has improved but without Murray they'd be on the field significantly more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 It should be Watt. He is the Megatron of defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Fair point. However, a case can be made that the inverse is true. Due to Murray's solid consistency they can control the ball and clock thus keeping their D off the field. In addition, the stout running game decreases the need to rely on Romo and his inevitable mistakes which puts the D in shootout situations. The D has improved but without Murray they'd be on the field significantly more. I'm not a Murray or Cowboy hater, by any means, and I do think Murray belongs in the conversation, at the very least. But, again, I just think the fact that Murray fumbles as often as he does will make it hard for him to win the award. If he fixes that, and continues his current pace (or anywhere close), I'd give him a decent shot. If one of those doesn't happen (either he slows down, numbers-wise, or the fumbles continue), I'd say that there's no way he wins MVP. As in, I'd give him a less than 10% chance. Right now, I would not only put Watt ahead of him, I'd put Rivers, Luck, Manning, and Rodgers in the top 5 as well. I think Murray is borderline top-five, honestly. And, by season's end, it wouldn't surprise me if any of 4-5 other QB's are in the mix as well (Wilson, Cutler, Brady, or even Flacco/Romo). Edited October 16, 2014 by Gopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 JJ Watt seems unnatural. I'm not buying. Because you think Watt is more roided up than any other defensive linemen in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 It should be Watt. He is the Megatron of defense. Swatted balls aren't as sexy as TD passes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 http://images.footballguys.com/Dropbox/Random%20Shots%20-%20Shared/14-7-HOU-Watt.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Ummm, no. Like Keg said, what Murray has done isn't that much of a surprise. The Cowboys are running the ball down opponents' throats, no doubt. But, it's been the defense that has made the difference, between previous years and this one. In other words, when you can't stop anybody, you're forced to either play from behind, or you get into shootout situations. In either case, the Cowboys have typically had to pass more than they would have liked, in past years. This year, with the defense playing well, they're able to run as much as they want, and the numbers show that. So by this logic, Watt shouldn't in it either.If Houston's offense didn't suck so bad Watt wouldn't be on the field so much and his #'s wouldn't be near what they are now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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