keggerz Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hello Mr. Mettenberger, my name is Watt, J.J. Watt. Talk about a baptism under fire. fwiw, this could be very good for Justin Hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devildog0311 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Any thoughts on how he does in the long run? Never seen him play. Can he sling the ball around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Any thoughts on how he does in the long run? Never seen him play. Can he sling the ball around? He can sling, arm strength won't be an issue for him. He's no lock for future success but has the tools necessary to be a viable NFL starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennykravitz2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hello Mr. Mettenberger, my name is Watt, J.J. Watt. Talk about a baptism under fire. fwiw, this could be very good for Justin Hunter. I get what your point is, but do you still really think this holds true as much as it used to in previous years (i.e. what I think is the "old" NFL)? Not just players in general, but there are many examples of young QBs coming in and not being "deer in the headlights" like they used to be. Kap, Wilson, Davis (all just in the NFC West). I'm interested in this game from the perspective of a rookie QB starting with a rookie RB. So far, Sankey has been frustratingly all hype this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 He can sling, arm strength won't be an issue for him. He's no lock for future success but has the tools necessary to be a viable NFL starter. He can throw, but makes poor decisions that were often covered up by a great recieving corp, very good running game & outstanding defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think this fades Kendall Wright a bit but agree that it's a good thing for Hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 I get what your point is, but do you still really think this holds true as much as it used to in previous years (i.e. what I think is the "old" NFL)? Not just players in general, but there are many examples of young QBs coming in and not being "deer in the headlights" like they used to be. Kap, Wilson, Davis (all just in the NFC West). I'm interested in this game from the perspective of a rookie QB starting with a rookie RB. So far, Sankey has been frustratingly all hype this year. I'm strictly talking about facing Watt in his first start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 sweet! looks like I'm starting the Texans D over the Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I get what your point is, but do you still really think this holds true as much as it used to in previous years (i.e. what I think is the "old" NFL)? Not just players in general, but there are many examples of young QBs coming in and not being "deer in the headlights" like they used to be. Kap, Wilson, Davis (all just in the NFC West). I'm interested in this game from the perspective of a rookie QB starting with a rookie RB. So far, Sankey has been frustratingly all hype this year. I'd say there's easily 2-3 times as many examples (in the past 10 years or so) of rookie QBs coming in and looking like deer in the headlights, and being chased by ferocious animals. Even a season of sitting and observing does not prepare these guys for the speed of the game, and a beast like Watt chasing them around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennykravitz2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm strictly talking about facing Watt in his first start. Gotcha. I'd say there's easily 2-3 times as many examples (in the past 10 years or so) of rookie QBs coming in and looking like deer in the headlights, and being chased by ferocious animals. Even a season of sitting and observing does not prepare these guys for the speed of the game, and a beast like Watt chasing them around. And I don't doubt that assessment at all. But do you think if we shorten that from past 10 years or so to maybe 5 or so, the trend changes a little? IDK... just feels like there haven't been as many deer in headlights recently for QBs. Some I wouldn't consider that option, I would simply flat out say they suck. Case in point, Geno. He sucks on a team that blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like More Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'd say there's easily 2-3 times as many examples (in the past 10 years or so) of rookie QBs coming in and looking like deer in the headlights, and being chased by ferocious animals. Even a season of sitting and observing does not prepare these guys for the speed of the game, and a beast like Watt chasing them around. Not to mention the possible return of Clowney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Gotcha. And I don't doubt that assessment at all. But do you think if we shorten that from past 10 years or so to maybe 5 or so, the trend changes a little? IDK... just feels like there haven't been as many deer in headlights recently for QBs. Some I wouldn't consider that option, I would simply flat out say they suck. Case in point, Geno. He sucks on a team that blows. Locker, Ponder, Weeden, just to name a few. Now maybe you could say they suck, maybe you say the same about Mattenberger. I don't follow college football much, so I have a harder time knowing who sucks and who doesn't when they enter the NFL. But from my experience, there are still way more rookie QBs that have that deer in the headlights look than ones that don't. The ones that can come in and play right away are the exception, not the rule. I cannot deny we've seen more exceptions lately, but that hasn't been a big enough trend yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Rugby Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think this helps Walker. Young QBs tend to not be patient and dump passes short. Especially with Watt breathing down his neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 He is the only rookie I was looking at drafting in my dynasty this year. Once he was gone, I figured to wait on Thomas from AZ. They both have the skills and strength to be capable pro QB's. I'm not sure the value was there in any other QB, so I think ZM can do good things. His film is impressive - although he's had a ton of athletes behind him. He'll make the throws, and is like Tom Brady was coming out of college. I was not sold on Carr but he's proved to me he knows the game, and will be a good pro. He knows when to not make a throw, and that is more than half the battle in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 He is the only rookie I was looking at drafting in my dynasty this year. Once he was gone, I figured to wait on Thomas from AZ. They both have the skills and strength to be capable pro QB's. I'm not sure the value was there in any other QB, so I think ZM can do good things. His film is impressive - although he's had a ton of athletes behind him. He'll make the throws, and is like Tom Brady was coming out of college. I was not sold on Carr but he's proved to me he knows the game, and will be a good pro. He knows when to not make a throw, and that is more than half the battle in the NFL. Tried to match up the same measurables but can't find them on him.... but I think an apt comparison is to Flacco. Flacco is 2 inches taller, but they have a similar body style. Super strong arm. Stands tall in the pocket and can plant and deliver the ball with velocity. FWIW, I also like Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurkey Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) watching him play against Alabama's NFL-close caliber D over the past few years, I can say he's got talent, is cool in the pocket against the rush (even though Bama nearly killed him (and made him cry) last year) and has a strong arm. Of course he was throwing to Ruben Randle, Odell Beckham, and Jarius Landry at LSU, which would inspire confidence in me as well. I would give a bump to Hunter because he won't be hesitant to air it out ... or experienced enough not too. He'll trust him arm more than Whitehurst and he has a stronger arm than Locker. Edited October 25, 2014 by WildTurkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesworld23 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) I for one think Wright may improve with him at qb. He has had, what, 2 good games this year? Even worse is his 3 non existent games Edited October 25, 2014 by davesworld23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 there are still way more rookie QBs that have that deer in the headlights look than ones that don't. Of course there are, but that's not what was asked. That's like saying there are lots more white QB's than minority QB's. There may not be a lot, but there are a lot more than 10 years ago. Rookies now come out much more prepared, and coaches do a much better job preparing them to play right away. I believe this is more about the coaches coming to grips with the reality (much like with minority QB's) that just because they are a rookie doesn't mean they can't contribute. There's also far less patience to win these days, so coaches are more willing to go all in on the more talented rookie over the safe but terrible Chad Henne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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