Alphashado Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Round 1 - Adrian Peterson Round 2 - Brandon Marshal Round 3 - AJ Green Round 4 - Alfred Moris Round 5 - Reshad Jennings Round 6 - Ben Tate Round 7 - Golden Tate Round 8 - Vernon Davis Round 9 - Cam Newton ETC.... The highlighted players have been total and epic busts due to injuries, suspensions, or window licking. What a freakin disaster. Needless to say, I am 3-5 with this team. And the only reason I have 3 wins is because I have managed to salvage a few weeks with waiver wire pickups like Brandon Oliver, Philip Rivers, and Amahd Bradshaw. I've never before had a team so dominated with injuries and flat out busts. But the two biggest disappoinments by FAR are Marshal and Green. These guys are GOOD. Not only are they good, they are GREAT players. Thats what makes it so frustrating. You can't bench them or drop them to waivers because the INSTANT you do, you can count on some bastard in your league picking them up right before they blow up. Or they will blow up the INSTANT you bench them. I have benched Marshal only one time this year..... Yeah, you guessed it, I benched him the week everyone said he wasn't going to play due to a sprained ankle. Not only did he play, but he got 3 TDs. Since then he has been TERRIBLE. 3-10 points per week. And the only thing worse than a super star dud is a super star that says "next week" EVERY SINGLE WEEK. That is AJ Green. You can't drop the guy because he might come back and play "next week". Well every week it's still "next week". It's nothing personal. Sht happens. I get it. But man oh man I wish I could draft again. Edited October 30, 2014 by Alphashado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I've never considered an injury to be reason for the bust label. That stuff just happens, it's not really something that is in the players control. I have both Jennings & Green on my local and I'm looking forward to the stretch run. Hoping they can both get right soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 AJ Green has scored double digit points in every game he's played so far. Injury to him is frustrating but I think thats more bad luck than him being a bust. He's not known for being injury prone so I'd give him a pass, it's not like drafting Darren McFadden in any of the last 5 years then moaning that he got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphashado Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) AJ Green has scored double digit points in every game he's played so far. Injury to him is frustrating but I think thats more bad luck than him being a bust. He's not known for being injury prone so I'd give him a pass, it's not like drafting Darren McFadden in any of the last 5 years then moaning that he got injured. Fair enough. But you could say the same thing about Marshal. He is still getting targets. He had 10 targets vs NE last week I believe. 3 in the red zone. He just isn't getting it done. Is it a result of a lingering ankle issue? Is it a result of a terribly inconsistant QB? Maybe. But Cutler and Marshal have had pretty spectacular chemestry every year together besides this one. Could it be a little of both? Perhaps. The only player out of those 1st 9 rounds that I drafted that has an "injury prone" label is Ben Tate. I still thought he was a steal in round 6 as a starting "work horse" RB. But I can hold myself responsible for that one because I knew the risk. So do unexpected issues remove the bust tag by default? I dunno. AP is clearly a bust. And nobody saw his suspension coming. Seems to me that from a fantasy perspective, any player that fails to produce anywhere close to his potential, regardless of the reason, would be a bust. In fact, check this out. I just got this from the Wikipedia definition of Bust : A draft bust occurs when a highly touted or highly selected draftee does not meet expectations. This can be for a variety of reasons, but the most often noted are injury or inability to perform at a professional level. I would say that Marshal and Green fit that bill. Particularely due to their average draft position. Edited October 30, 2014 by Alphashado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn5033 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Marshall is the frustrating one. As you said he has played and gotten targets but isn't getting it done. I traded Bradshaw for him after week 4 I think and man I have been regretting that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Fair enough. But you could say the same thing about Marshal. He is still getting targets. He had 10 targets vs NE last week I believe. 3 in the red zone. He just isn't getting it done. Is it a result of a lingering ankle issue? Is it a result of a terribly inconsistant QB? Maybe. But Cutler and Marshal have had pretty spectacular chemestry every year together besides this one. Could it be a little of both? Perhaps. The only player out of those 1st 9 rounds that I drafted that has an "injury prone" label is Ben Tate. I still thought he was a steal in round 6 as a starting "work horse" RB. But I can hold myself responsible for that one because I knew the risk. So do unexpected issues remove the bust tag by default? I dunno. AP is clearly a bust. And nobody saw his suspension coming. Seems to me that from a fantasy perspective, any player that fails to produce anywhere close to his potential, regardless of the reason, would be a bust. In fact, check this out. I just got this from the Wikipedia definition of Bust : A draft bust occurs when a highly touted or highly selected draftee does not meet expectations. This can be for a variety of reasons, but the most often noted are injury or inability to perform at a professional level. I would say that Marshal and Green fit that bill. Particularely due to their average draft position. Well thats your opinion but the definition of draft bust you've produced there is clearly about rookie coming in through the NFL draft. I didn't include Marshall cos' he has played more games where he's been a disappointment and it hasn't appeared to be injury related. Green on other hand has averaged 13.96pts in the games he's played and has only missed four games so if he continues to be that productive over the next 8 weeks is he a bust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byroz Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Marshall has been a disappointment but to his defense a lot has to do with the whole team and qb issues. Cutler has been playing awful and. Lot has to do with him. I dont own him but i usually spend a lot of $ on him in fanduels because hes had good matchups yet he disappoints. Theres a lot if players im not gunna be playing/buying til they get their stuff together regardless of match up..Marshall being one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphashado Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Well thats your opinion but the definition of draft bust you've produced there is clearly about rookie coming in through the NFL draft. I didn't include Marshall cos' he has played more games where he's been a disappointment and it hasn't appeared to be injury related. Green on other hand has averaged 13.96pts in the games he's played and has only missed four games so if he continues to be that productive over the next 8 weeks is he a bust? Well since I highly doubt there is an official definition of the word "bust" in how it's applied to fantasy football, then I believe draft bust is the closest and most relavent official definition we will find. We draft these guys no differently than an NFL team drafts a rookie. In fact the entire principle behind a fantasy football draft is 100% based on the NFL draft format. So while you are correct in saying that we are entitled to our opinions, I stand behind my opinion that the above definition applies. Edited October 30, 2014 by Alphashado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well since I highly doubt there is an official definition of the word "bust" in how it's applied to fantasy football, then I believe draft bust is the closest and most relavent official definition we will find. We draft these guys no differently than an NFL team drafts a rookie. In fact the entire principle behind a fantasy football draft is 100% based on the NFL draft format. So while you are correct in saying that we are entitled to our opinions, I stand behind my opinion that the above definition applies. Fair enough, there was a whole thread a few weeks ago discussing whether injuries to key players count as draft busts. Matter of opinion. What about AJ Green though? Only gonna miss 4 weeks it seems and been elite when fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Fair enough, there was a whole thread a few weeks ago discussing whether injuries to key players count as draft busts. Matter of opinion. What about AJ Green though? Only gonna miss 4 weeks it seems and been elite when fit. And the general consensus is NO, injuries do not count as a bust, not in fantasy and not in the NFL. Nobody else noticed that Rivers and Bradshaw were WW pickups? The OP is welcome to their own definition of what makes a bust, but not many will agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Injury = busted = bust. It's all about failing to achieve expected output, regardless of the reason. And yes, Marshall needs to quit his jibba jabba on that NFL show he's on, take off the suit, and start practicing. My two teams with him are 3-6 and 2-6. Glad he's off this week so I don't have to start his sorry ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byroz Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Also i would put julio in the same category as these two. I think him and Marshall are the two biggest busts of the year..playing wise. Obv AP was different because of his circumstances and i dont think that qualifys him as a bust. This has been a very tough year bust/injury wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphashado Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Injury = busted = bust. It's all about failing to achieve expected output, regardless of the reason. And yes, Marshall needs to quit his jibba jabba on that NFL show he's on, take off the suit, and start practicing. My two teams with him are 3-6 and 2-6. Glad he's off this week so I don't have to start his sorry ass. I agree with this 100%. If a player you drafted with top tier expectations fails to produce for any reason what-so-ever, then it's a bust imo. Because at the end of the day the result is the same. I guess we will see about Green. We have zero reason to believe that he won't reagrivate the injury again. He wasn't doing anything but practice stretches the last time he reagrivated it. Plus he himself has admitted that he will not be 100% untill the offseason. He has also said that he has his future in mind and will not take any chances with his career. That is perfectly understandable. But all bad signs nonetheless. I guess we will see. This is the kind of injury that lingers all season long and the guy will be questionable for the duration. And that senario leads to poor results because you start the guy and he tweaks it in the 1st quarter then misses the rest of the game. I'ts a nightmare situation for Green Owners. Edited October 30, 2014 by Alphashado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphashado Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Nobody else noticed that Rivers and Bradshaw were WW pickups? I picked up Rivers a few days after the draft once initial waivers cleared. And I grabbed Bradshaw after week one. 10 team league, neither were drafted. They weren't drafted in most 10 team leagues. Not sure why this is a surprise. Go back and look at most 10 team league draft results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I picked up Rivers a few days after the draft once initial waivers cleared. And I grabbed Bradshaw after week one. 10 team league, neither were drafted. They weren't drafted in most 10 team leagues. Not sure why this is a surprise. Go back and look at most 10 team league draft results. How was I supposed to know it was a 10 team league? Or when you signed them? Just seemed strange to read those two signed off waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 1 Adrian Peterson, Min RB 20 Montee Ball*, Den RB 21 Dez Bryant, Dal WR 40 Ray Rice, FA RB 41 Larry Fitzgerald, Ari WR 60 Nick Foles, Phi QB 61 Seahawks D/ST D/ST 80 Danny Woodhead*, SD RB 81 Jeremy Maclin, Phi WR 100 Tom Brady, NE QB 101 Fred Jackson*, Buf RB 120 Tim Wright, NE TE 121 Riley Cooper, Phi WR 140 Phil Dawson, SF K 141 Miles Austin, Cle WR 160 Josh McCown, TB QB Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I touched on Marshall in this week's Beyond TDs and Tackles (up tomorrow on the main page). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbucklers Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 The frustrating thing about Marshall was that the only GOOD game he had, I sat him because it was the late game and he was questionable and lost my weekly matchup. I have since traded him and other parts for Julio and other parts, which is like trading one turd for another! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonychavez Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Zac Stacy was the biggest overall bust. He fits the bill to a T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'd have to say Doug Martin. I still believe in the dude, but man does he need to get out of that city and on to a team with some what of a resemblance to an OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Zac Stacy was the biggest overall bust. He fits the bill to a T. Montee Ball for me is up there, his bust status has been masked by his injury but only in week one did he manage to score more than 10pts in one game in my league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishPride Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Mine would have to be AP? His suspension or legal problems were never mention anywhere prior to season? His suspension seemed to suprise everyone? So based on expectations, i would have to say he is the biggest let down of 2014? ADP 3, ESPN 1, Yahoo 3, NFL.com 1, etc.....You get the point. We all missed that situation brewing, even the FF pundits. Those of us who wasted our 1st round pick have been reeling ever since? I don't consider an injured player a bust but an unforseen suspension which changes how the NFL handles it's payers (Commisioners Exempt List)? Has to be the BUST of the 2014 season,IMO? Edited November 2, 2014 by IrishPride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If there's any time to start Green next week should be it. This is a picture taken of Keenan Lewis' knee yesterday after the game. http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo269/fladohado/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpg Speculation is a bursa sac burst which wouldn't be all that bad & could be back rather quickly, but regardless he won't be 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphashado Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Sad thing about a stud that is playing bad is that you have to start him every week anyways. Marshal's 3 TD preformance vs SF is exactly why. He could hardly walk during that game. But injuries like these linger all season and effect the player in many ways. They can get rusty. They can force themselves to play faivoring the other side of their body, therefore sometimes injuring something else in the process. They can reinjure an existing injury. And worst case scenario, they can go out on the field and be nothing more than a decoy. Now Marshal after finally having a decent game has tweaked his other ankle. Having these two guys on my roster has been a nightmare of the 1st degree and has cost me the season in that league. Well. Reshad Jennings going down and the Adrian Peterson fiasco didn't help much either. I thought I had a Brilliant draft. Team should have been stellar. Ahh well what can you do. Bad luck is bad luck. Edited November 10, 2014 by Alphashado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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