tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Edited January 15, 2015 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Check in other thread for talk from my ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wpob Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Mariotta makes me nervous. Does not appear to have that "clutch" gene. Could be a good QB on a great time but does not (to me) appear to be the type of young QB to rally a bad team. Regardless, taking a QB who in the first round is foolish. There is no Andrew Luck in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTomWeTrust Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Mariotta makes me nervous. Does not appear to have that "clutch" gene. Could be a good QB on a great time but does not (to me) appear to be the type of young QB to rally a bad team. Regardless, taking a QB who in the first round is foolish. There is no Andrew Luck in this draft. there wont be for a long tim either.. but mariotta is better than any other qb to come out from 2007-2015 not named andrew luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTomWeTrust Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 including russell wilson, rated wilson as a first round pick and had him ahead of every qb that draft except luck and he fell to round 3 because of his height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 :facepalm: I stopped at Matt Ryan, Stafford, Flacco, Newton :wonders:, Kaepernick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTomWeTrust Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 :facepalm: I stopped at Matt Ryan, Stafford, Flacco, Newton :wonders:, Kaepernick Kaepernick a better prospect tha Mariota ? Cam Newton ? Possibly. He has all the pysical tools but Mariotta has proven to be the better passer Stafford? No. Besides a little more arm strength Flacco? From Univeristy of Delaware? NEVER a beter prospect Matt Ryan? The guy was average at best in a weak acc confernence for Boston College, his arm and release in terms of strength are better than Mariottas coming out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Johnny Unitis and Dan Fouts like ham sandwiches. Randall Cunningham likes plain bread. But Marino was the steal like Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTomWeTrust Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Johnny Unitis and Dan Fouts like ham sandwiches. Randall Cunningham likes plain bread. But Marino was the steal like Wilson. lol be serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Cunningham!!! Now THAT is a good QB to compare Marcus to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I can give you 126.7 million reasons why that won't happen. Good luck if you think a team will sabotage their cap space via a trade. He's guaranteed $54million. Nice try.... Guaranteed money isn't the cap concern when trading players, it's the dead money signing bonus allocation. The new team picks up the salary terms, which are $16M next year and only $13M total after that. Cutler has only $4 dead money to Chicago. Next year's $16M is irrelevant, because that burns off the first year anyway, and a $13M future dead money is pretty small risk to see if a QB can pan out. Make him a June 1 cut and that's only $7.5M per year. Easy to take that on from a pure cap perspective. His absolute lack of personal accountability is a far bigger concern than his contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Brock Huard today referred to Hundley as a 3rd or 4th round pick. If he does declare, he'd be a mid round pick at best IMO considering he's as raw as a Rocky cow carcus punching bag Way too early to accurately call these. Jones could easily get into the second round and Hundley could easily be in the 1st. The NFL is infatuated with potential at QB and they don't care about risk. It's riskier to go into the season with Matt Schaub at QB than it is to take a flier on Hundley at #20. If he busts you're guaranteed to be picking early again soon and get another chance to roll the dice again. QB's just don't come along in FA, there's no other way to get them. You have to be right, and you have to be right earlier than anyone else taking a swing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Guaranteed money isn't the cap concern when trading players, it's the dead money signing bonus allocation. The new team picks up the salary terms, which are $16M next year and only $13M total after that. Cutler has only $4 dead money to Chicago. Next year's $16M is irrelevant, because that burns off the first year anyway, and a $13M future dead money is pretty small risk to see if a QB can pan out. Make him a June 1 cut and that's only $7.5M per year. Easy to take that on from a pure cap perspective. His absolute lack of personal accountability is a far bigger concern than his contract. I can always count on you to clear up cap issues for me. In short, I'm sticking to my guns concerning Marcus and the ludicrous idea he will EVER go to the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Guaranteed money isn't the cap concern when trading players, it's the dead money signing bonus allocation. The new team picks up the salary terms, which are $16M next year and only $13M total after that. Cutler has only $4 dead money to Chicago. Next year's $16M is irrelevant, because that burns off the first year anyway, and a $13M future dead money is pretty small risk to see if a QB can pan out. Make him a June 1 cut and that's only $7.5M per year. Easy to take that on from a pure cap perspective. His absolute lack of personal accountability is a far bigger concern than his contract. ok so we are talking $20.5M this year to cut Cutler and sign Marcus. Now what are they gonna do with the $7M left over in cap space with those FA's and HUGH defensive holes to fill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I can always count on you to clear up cap issues for me. In short, I'm sticking to my guns concerning Marcus and the ludicrous idea he will EVER go to the Bears. I agree, but more because I don't think they will move Cutler. He's a very talented QB, and a team is highly unlikely to move along from one of those, it's just too hard to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 I agree, but more because I don't think they will move Cutler. He's a very talented QB, and a team is highly unlikely to move along from one of those, it's just too hard to replace. Agreed as well. I didn't even get into that aspect of it though. I guess I was expecting dumb dumb to know that already … my bad on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 And just to clarify, I'm no Bears expert or homer. I'll leave that up to Tom, Gil and Darin, among others, to chime in if they feel the need to do so. I'm guessing they have dumb dumb on ignore…I just can't bring myself to do it yet. I need the daily laughs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) I think both of the big-name QBs this year have the potential to be very successful in the NFL, but both are fairly risky picks. Winston needs to get his honda together off the field, and Mariota will need to develop as a passer. Mariota wasn't asked to read defenses much in the Oregon offense, and did not have to throw into very tight windows at all. I know this will draw many rofl emoticons from our resident expert, but IMO, Winston is the better QB. If he wasn't such a moran, I think he would be ahead of Mariota on most draft boards. His game has some blemishes as well, (has really struggled with the zone blitz, throwing several INTs this year because of it) but overall he's the better passer and the most pro-ready out of the two. I'd like to think he shapes up once he gets to the big leagues, but Manziel has definitely proven that it doesn't always work that way. Edited January 15, 2015 by bud29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 ok so we are talking $20.5M this year to cut Cutler and sign Marcus. Now what are they gonna do with the $7M left over in cap space with those FA's and HUGH defensive holes to fill? Cutting him is a whole different deal. Yes, they would eat all of the dead money if they cut him. I was alluding to the thought of trading him. His dead number is $19M.5, so if they designate him a June 1 cut 1/2 of that would stay on this year, 1/2 would hit next. I don't think they cut him under any circumstance. If they trade him they eat only $4M from last year's restructure bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 actually his 2016 salary is $16M and this year is $15.5 He got a $5M "signing bonus" tagged onto his 2014 base salary of $17.5M All of that money is guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I've referenced this site before and pretty sure some of the resident experts said it is accurate http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/ It shows a "dead cap#" for 2015 of 19.5 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 actually his 2016 salary is $16M and this year is $15.5 He got a $5M "signing bonus" tagged onto his 2014 base salary of $17.5M All of that money is guaranteed. 2015 is fully guaranteed, but that's pretty much already spent, either by the Bears or whoever trades for him. 2016 salary isn't yet guaranteed, $10M of it guarantees in March, and that's included in my $13M numbers. The $5M restructure bonus had $1 allocated last year, another $1 will allocate in 2015, and the last $3M is the other $3M of my $13M above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 And just to clarify, I'm no Bears expert or homer. I'll leave that up to Tom, Gil and Darin, among others, to chime in if they feel the need to do so. I'm guessing they have dumb dumb on ignore…I just can't bring myself to do it yet. I need the daily laughs. I can't tell which user needs more attention than twit but there are a few. Put aside the debate of whether the kid will be a good pro, which I don't believe he will be. He'll play backyard ball like Manziel if pressed into duty too quickly. He is fundamentally weak in progression reads and will drive a professional coaching staff crazy...he is a project at best. The Bears need to build their OL, their LB's and the rest of their secondary. OL, LB, S, CB, DL are all massive needs whereas QB is not since you could put any QB in the league on the Bears and they will suck wind for many years. The talent is depleted. Tillman/Briggs....gone. Conte blows. No strength in pass D. This kid will be bought by some team but it will not be the Bears, nor should it be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heehawks Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Way too early to accurately call these. Jones could easily get into the second round and Hundley could easily be in the 1st. The NFL is infatuated with potential at QB and they don't care about risk. It's riskier to go into the season with Matt Schaub at QB than it is to take a flier on Hundley at #20. If he busts you're guaranteed to be picking early again soon and get another chance to roll the dice again. QB's just don't come along in FA, there's no other way to get them. You have to be right, and you have to be right earlier than anyone else taking a swing. Agree 100 percent. Hitting on Wilson in the 3rd, is one of the major reasons my heehawks have had such success over the past three years. They took a risk and they scored a very good qb faster than most other teams. Couple that with a great D, and wham, instant success. Now as for Mariota, I sincerely hope he sits behind a decent qb for a few years and works hard on his game, learning and developing as much as possible. Then and only then will he be a good NFL qb. If hes thrown into the fire, hes done. That coming from a hugh Oregon fan and have watched every game hes played. Edited January 16, 2015 by heehawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTomWeTrust Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Agree 100 percent. Hitting on Wilson in the 3rd, is one of the major reasons my heehawks have had such success over the past three years. They took a risk and they scored a very good qb faster than most other teams. Couple that with a great D, and wham, instant success. Now as for Mariota, I sincerely hope he sits behind a decent qb for a few years and works hard on his game, learning and developing as much as possible. Then and only then will he be a good NFL qb. If hes thrown into the fire, hes done. That coming from a hugh Oregon fan and have watched every game hes played. So you explain to me where you think Russell Wilson is a better quartback... Please explain the difference in quickness and footwork from Russell Wilson to Mariota Explain to me the intangables in terms of awareness and leadership and being able to have that WILL to win Please tell me where Wilson excels and Mariota doesnt.. I watched Russell Wilson at NC STATE and Wisconsin and if you can sit there and say Wilson was better in all these ways you're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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