Wolverines Fan Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/313251/demaryius-also-gets-5-years-$70m-from-broncos Broncos signed WR Demaryius Thomas to a five-year, $70 million contract, including $43.5 million guaranteed. Oh, what deadlines will do for negotiations. Dez Bryant signed a five-year, $70 million pact with the Cowboys roughly 15 minutes before Thomas inked his with the Broncos. Both were said to be seeking upwards of $16 million per year, but ultimately settled on $14 million annually. Bryant edges Thomas in guaranteed money $45 million to $43.5 million, but both players have to be happy to have this mess behind them, allowing them to focus on football and not potential holdouts. At the end of the day, three unsigned franchise players -- Dez, Demaryius, and Justin Houston -- got long-term deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Ironically, they got virtually identical deals yet the Broncos and Cowboys never discussed it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Ironically, they got virtually identical deals yet the Broncos and Cowboys never discussed it Buncha #%@$! Cheaters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I am good with $14M/yr for DT, that is fair price for the best after-the-catch WR in the league. If we had gone beyond that crazy ass Megatron contract, I would be pretty ill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Denver is gonna regret this contract in a year from now when Manning is gone and all teams have to do to stop the Bronco's passing game is double Thomas. He's gonna be the leagues most expensive decoy.. No different than what happened to Fitzgerald when Warner retired and all they had were a bunch of hacks taking snaps from behind center. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dogs Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Denver is gonna regret this contract in a year from now when Manning is gone and all teams have to do to stop the Bronco's passing game is double Thomas. He's gonna be the leagues most expensive decoy.. No different than what happened to Fitzgerald when Warner retired and all they had were a bunch of hacks taking snaps from behind center. I agree completely, but not sure the Broncos had a choice....... The question down the road will be whether or not they can trade him to a team with another star QB to make use of his services. I have to think he would have a trade clause in his contract simply because even he should know he will put up crap numbers without Manning, or someone good behind center. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 You guys are way under-rating DT's talent. He had some nice games as a 2nd yr player with Tebow under center. I have a hard time believing that our QB play will go to sub-Tebow level when PM retires. DT is huge, fast, strong, and quick. He is like an elite RB with the ball in his hands. There is no better WR after the catch. He is exactly the player that the Broncos need in order to transition from Manning (which won't be until 2017 BTW). What better than a 6' - 3", 220 lb guy who runs a 4.4 40 to break in a young QB? 14m a year is the going rate for an elite WR. I am glad we locked him up because there are only a handful of players in the league with his tier of talent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) You guys are way under-rating DT's talent. He had some nice games as a 2nd yr player with Tebow under center. I have a hard time believing that our QB play will go to sub-Tebow level when PM retires. DT is huge, fast, strong, and quick. He is like an elite RB with the ball in his hands. There is no better WR after the catch. Certainly NOT questioning his talent. He's a beast - but a WR rarely makes a QB (unless you're name is Randy Moss and Culpepper is your QB) - you have to have someone talented enough to get that WR the ball - especially in coverage in which DT will see a lot more of after PM leaves (just my opinion). Not at all comparing DT to Fitzgerald, but their situations are similar at this point in their respective careers. Fitz was a top 3-5 WR with Warner. Warner retires - and it doesn't matter who's throwing the ball to Fitz - teams just blanketed him and regardless who was behind center - they struggled, and Fitz's #'s didn't warrant that fatass paycheck he was collecting. Who knows - maybe B Osweiller is the 2nd coming - but I wouldn't put my money on it. I watched him here at ASU, and he was decent until you put pressure in his face (when you can - dude's like 9 feet tall) - he made mistakes all the time.. All I'm saying is you're a fan, can't fault you there - but your vision is cloudy. Edited July 17, 2015 by Shorttynaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AX2RUN Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think Osweiler will end up being a decent QB. I watched his "highlights" from ASU and was not overly confiedent, but the little glimpses we've had of him in the pros have been promising. I mean 2 different coaching regimes have stated that they love what he can do. I think he will be a clone of Jay Cutler. Big and ellusive with a rocket arm, while making questionable throws here and there. Before that damn Josh McDaniels came in, Cutler had finally been molded into a pretty solid passer. I think given a fair shot, Brock will be the long term QB for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think he will be a clone of Jay Cutler. And that's a good thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think Osweiler will end up being a decent QB. I watched his "highlights" from ASU and was not overly confiedent, but the little glimpses we've had of him in the pros have been promising. I mean 2 different coaching regimes have stated that they love what he can do. I think he will be a clone of Jay Cutler. Big and ellusive with a rocket arm, while making questionable throws here and there. Before that damn Josh McDaniels came in, Cutler had finally been molded into a pretty solid passer. I think given a fair shot, Brock will be the long term QB for us. Big, yes. Dude's way taller than your typical QB. If he gets protection, he'll tear you apart - and he has a hell of a cannon. But put a little bit of pressure in his face - and yeah - he's a spitting image of Jay Cutler - will just chuck and pray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyr5 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Thomas will make an average QB a lot better! He is a guy who can go get the ball. QBs love that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AX2RUN Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 And that's a good thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AX2RUN Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry accidently pressed reply. But yes I think thats a good thing. The last season he had in Denver was the best statistical season he's had in his entire career. Forget exact #s, but I know he had close to 5,000 yards and 20+ TDs (INTs are never that far behind with him). And I distinctly remember watching games where Cutler slung that ball all over and won games for us. Unfortunately for every TD he threw, you knew the other show would drop soon. And Cutlers predecessor was Jake Plummer for a year, then he got tossed into the fire with 1 good WR, a sorry TE, and a sorry RB. So I think Osweiler has had an advantage of learning from a HOF QB for 3 years before he goes into starting position AND he'll take the field with at least 2 solid WRs, a decent TE, and (if I'm right about Anderson) a star RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 And that's a good thing? Brandon Marshall says it would be for DT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurkey Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 it's ironic the arguably two best receivers in the NFL came from Georgia Tech, who run the triple option (I know, I know, Calvin Johnson wasn't there when Paul Johnson was). Plus, as someone said, he and Decker made Tebow a winner in Denver. When Manning's gone I'm pretty sure they'll get someone who can get him the ball, be that Oswieler or someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningMud Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 it's ironic the arguably two best receivers in the NFL came from Georgia Tech, who run the triple option (I know, I know, Calvin Johnson wasn't there when Paul Johnson was). Plus, as someone said, he and Decker made Tebow a winner in Denver. When Manning's gone I'm pretty sure they'll get someone who can get him the ball, be that Oswieler or someone else. I would contend that the defense and random luck made Tebow a winner. Thomas and Decker were okay but they didn't win most those games. Even the PIT playoff game was more the defense screwing up on that last play. Thomas made the play he should have made against that defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AX2RUN Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I would agree. If you look at all of Tebows comeback wins, our defense kept the score at less than 20. I mean I think Jamarcus Russel could lead a 7 point comeback win lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AX2RUN Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 But DT was always gonna be a star. Decker not so much. I really think he and Julius Thomas were true products of Peyton Manning. I'd bet that Decker repeats a mediocre season with the Jets, and JT halfs his stats in Jacksonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AX2RUN Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 But DT was always gonna be a star. Decker not so much. I really think he and Julius Thomas were true products of Peyton Manning. I'd bet that Decker repeats a mediocre season with the Jets, and JT halfs his stats in Jacksonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AX2RUN Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 But DT was always gonna be a star. Decker not so much. I really think he and Julius Thomas were true products of Peyton Manning. I'd bet that Decker repeats a mediocre season with the Jets, and JT halfs his stats in Jacksonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I'd bet that Decker repeats a mediocre season with the Jets, and JT halfs his stats in Jacksonville. Way to go out on a limb..Jax n Jets qbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I would contend that the defense and random luck made Tebow a winner. Thomas and Decker were okay but they didn't win most those games. Even the PIT playoff game was more the defense screwing up on that last play. Thomas made the play he should have made against that defense. Thomas made the play he should have made considering the physical beast that he is. Not many WR's can outrun the entire secondary for 50+ yards after the catch like he did on that play (and many others). And when it comes to big bodied WRs who can do that, we are pretty much just talking about DT, Julio, and Calvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I again don't think anyone is questioning Thomas's talent level. The question is - will he have a capable QB taking snaps from behind center to get him the ball - that IS the question. If they can't (I have no faith in Osweiller) then like I said early on in this post, Thomas is going to be the leagues most expensive decoy. Regardless what some (new to the Huddle) Bronco's homer wants to think cause he's watched 'highlight' videos of Osweiller - he's just like every other mediocre QB in the league. I am an ASU Sun Devils fan and watched this guy in 2011 take a decent team all the way to 6-7. Give him time and he can make plays. Put pressure in his face and he'll constantly make bonehead decisions. And who cares who QB's sit behind for a few years. Matt Cassell & Ryan Mallet sat behind Tom Brady. Matt Leinart sat behind Kurt Warner. These guys were 'supposed' to be something good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I am certainly not convinced that Oz will be the next starting QB in Denver. But part of the reason that you sign a guy like DT is because you only need a mediocre QB to get him the ball. I think that if PM had another 5 yrs left, we would have let DT walk. When you have an elite QB, you can make-do with mediocre WRs. I think it was the right move to lock up an elite WR given the uncertainty at QB for the future. DT's presence is going to make life a lot easier for whoever is our next QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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