Avernus Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's comical to me that this zero RB theory is something I began doing more than 10 years ago, with no influence from anyone (FF sites etc). I definitely remember being ridiculed on here for it but now that it's popular with a name, it's totally accepted. I always will be ahead of my time and will take daggers for having a contrarian approach toward most things. By the way, my new approach is zero WR. We can talk about it in 5 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yeah ... it is a well disguised RMT luckily nobody commented on the quality of his team....I took it as a RMT post as well but I wanted to comment on the zero RB subject... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I hate these gray area topics. I needed to see that no one was actually rating teams to keep it here. Edited September 1, 2015 by Big John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 luckily nobody commented on the quality of his team....I took it as a RMT post as well but I wanted to comment on the zero RB subject... When I first started playing this game ... 23 some odd years ago ... it was UNHEARD of to come out of the first 2 rounds without a RB and very often people drafted RB-RB. Then came PPR and WRs began to matter more. It took me awhile to break out of the idea that I absolutely had to get a RB in the first x rounds, and I didn't do it to adhere to any particular theory or strategy. I began to see that the successful teams in my leagues were drafting players that made a difference instead of locking in on positions ... and the "x factor" concept came to life for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 When I first started playing this game ... 23 some odd years ago ... it was UNHEARD of to come out of the first 2 rounds without a RB and very often people drafted RB-RB. Then came PPR and WRs began to matter more. It took me awhile to break out of the idea that I absolutely had to get a RB in the first x rounds, and I didn't do it to adhere to any particular theory or strategy. I began to see that the successful teams in my leagues were drafting players that made a difference instead of locking in on positions ... and the "x factor" concept came to life for me. So I think what you're saying is......draft the players that score the most points? I can't recall ever heading into a draft saying "I'm definitely drafting x position in any round"....maybe RB in the first if I feel a certain way about the top end of the draft... All in all there is more than one way to skin a cat and success stories for every draft strategy....these "labels" for drafting strategies are hilarious... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) If I go with OBJ or Brown... then i usually grab someone like Jeremy Hill, Beast Mode, Forte, or whoever slides This has been achievable in a grand total of zero of the leagues I've drafted in this year. Edited September 1, 2015 by darin3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 So I think what you're saying is......draft the players that score the most points? I can't recall ever heading into a draft saying "I'm definitely drafting x position in any round"....maybe RB in the first if I feel a certain way about the top end of the draft... All in all there is more than one way to skin a cat and success stories for every draft strategy....these "labels" for drafting strategies are hilarious... Not enough to draft the players that score the most points .. you have to draft the TEAM that scores the most points. Sometimes that means that you don't draft the player on the board that you project will score the most points because it will not result in a TEAM that scores the most points. Perfect example of this ... I typically do not draft a QB until mid rounds even though they may score more actual points than the player I do draft ... because I can get another QB later that scores just a little bit less and end up with a better scoring TEAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 This has been achievable in a grand total of zero of the leagues I've drafted in this year. Maybe you should try some of those Yahoo leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qdaddyo Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 i tried it yesterday in a friends and family draft, where I had the the 7th pick. 1.7 - Julio Jones 2.18 - Odell Bekcham Jr. 3.31 - Alshon Jeffrey 4.42 - Mark Ingram 5.55 - T.J. Yeldon 6.66 - Jeremy Maclin 7.79 - Shane Vereen 8.90 - Jordan Cameron 9.103 - Philip Rivers 10.114 - Martavis Bryant 11.127 - Ronnie Hillman 12.138 - Carson Palmer 13.151 - Fred Jackson 14.162 - Denver 15.175 - Blair Walsh Obviously I'm very strong at WR, and very weak at RB. Took Fred Jackson late hoping he would find a spot with a team in need, but it doesn't sound like he'll be used a lot in SEA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Not enough to draft the players that score the most points .. you have to draft the TEAM that scores the most points. Sometimes that means that you don't draft the player on the board that you project will score the most points because it will not result in a TEAM that scores the most points. Perfect example of this ... I typically do not draft a QB until mid rounds even though they may score more actual points than the player I do draft ... because I can get another QB later that scores just a little bit less and end up with a better scoring TEAM. well, yeah that is what I do but you always said player so I was quoting you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Maybe you should try some of those Yahoo free leagues? fixed for accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSampson Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Whatever. I play a whole spread of $ games and that does include several long lasting local leagues too. And while I have seen OBJ, CJ and Hill have slide-- point aside--my point is that WR talent is readily available in later rounds vs running backs. That is predictable and reliable WR types, or WR flashes with real opportunity . At least more so than the deep RBs people are reaching for. God I hate these forums sometimes, so ticky tacky. Same 5 degens battling the ridiculous for post count superiority. There is a reason this forum has lost all the legends and traffic. Freaking nerds, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Whatever. I play a whole spread of $ games and that does include several long lasting local leagues too. And while I have seen OBJ, CJ and Hill have slide-- point aside--my point is that WR talent is readily available in later rounds vs running backs. That is predictable and reliable WR types, or WR flashes with real opportunity . At least more so than the deep RBs people are reaching for. God I hate these forums sometimes, so ticky tacky. Same 5 degens battling the ridiculous for post count superiority. There is a reason this forum has lost all the legends and traffic. Freaking nerds, man! Not sure why you are bothering with this forum or the Huddle if you are playing in a guild where you stack up on players that normally don't make it out of the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSampson Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 You got that first part right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelmastr21 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) I went with the zero RB theory and a value based draft. At the time I drafted Antonio Brown, Mike Evans and Jimmy Graham, those were the players I projected to score the most points this season over replacement level players. I didn't reach for any of them. Murray and Martin could've easily been my 5th and 7th picks. Again I have been playing against the guy at the turn for 10 years and know what players he likes. So in an even round I pick 2 players that I want, I then pick the player more likely to be taken by him at the turn. I love being pick #2 or pick #11 so I have one team to focus on at the turn. I took a lot of time to post my draft and my thought processes. I didn't come here for validation. I came here to share my experience for anyone's benefit that was considering the strategy. I thought I was in a place where I could discuss interesting topics with like minded individuals. I was clearly mistaken. Sorry for trying to start an interesting discussion. Edited September 2, 2015 by squirrelmastr21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm craving Taco Bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) The problem with all these Zero whatever Theorems is that drafters often become convinced of these regimented strategies and pass up on value if it isn't part of the master plan. I have an idea for a likely start of each draft based on draft position, scoring system, and ADP; but am always flexible. I also have tentative mid to late plans based on how I started the draft (subject to change - of course). Drafting is an organic process that can go hundreds of different directions. It seems these Theorems are largely a misguided attempt to hit an easy button; there are numerously more potential advantages for a prepared drafter, IMO. Not a fan. Edited September 2, 2015 by Bobby Brown 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 This has been achievable in a grand total of zero of the leagues I've drafted in this year. In our Huddle Message Board best ball league, I could've had OBJ and Forte but skipped on Forte for De. Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 It's comical to me that this zero RB theory is something I began doing more than 10 years ago, with no influence from anyone (FF sites etc). I definitely remember being ridiculed on here for it but now that it's popular with a name, it's totally accepted. I always will be ahead of my time and will take daggers for having a contrarian approach toward most things. By the way, my new approach is zero WR. We can talk about it in 5 years or so. Does your elbow hurt? Hell I've been drafting the players that score the most points and grits takes all the credit for that. All I have is money and trophies but you don't see me whining about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Does your elbow hurt? Hell I've been drafting the players that score the most points and grits takes all the credit for that. All I have is money and trophies but you don't see me whining about it. It's amazing Brent can post on a message board when he's nailed to a cross like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Whatever. I play a whole spread of $ games and that does include several long lasting local leagues too. And while I have seen OBJ, CJ and Hill have slide-- point aside--my point is that WR talent is readily available in later rounds vs running backs. That is predictable and reliable WR types, or WR flashes with real opportunity . At least more so than the deep RBs people are reaching for. God I hate these forums sometimes, so ticky tacky. Same 5 degens battling the ridiculous for post count superiority. There is a reason this forum has lost all the legends and traffic. Freaking nerds, man! True that there is a reason, but that is not it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 True that there is a reason, but that is not it. Maybe not but the attitude of some of the vets that remain doesn't help to attract or keep new members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ck_7 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I did this on accident in a 12 team auction. Ended up with Brown/DThom/Julio and Stafford/Phillips and Ivory/Spiller/Sankey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Bottom line... It works, but it has to be the right format, and the right circumstances. Mighty hard to pull off in a non-PPR league, or a league in which you have to start 2 or more RB's. But, in leagues where you can start just one (and PPR), I've done it successfully on several occasions. Load up on stud WR's and a TE early, and grab 3-4 RB's in the middle/late rounds who are likely to share work, catch a few balls, and best case, have a shot at winning the lead job outright. Add a QB somewhere, and it's a decent recipe for success. But, again, the format has to make sense. And, it depends on where you're drafting (if I'm drafting towards the top, it's pretty hard to pass on a stud RB, regardless of format). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Maybe not but the attitude of some of the vets that remain doesn't help to attract or keep new members. Can I be one of those vets that bring the negative attitude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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