Grits and Shins Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 It never had to do with anything for me other than The fact that I think he has a shot to produce behind an elite offensive line.... At this point it is looking like a longshot if he only managed to see 1st team reps for a single day.... But I am still keeping an eye out because that offense should be able to produce fantasy gold down the stretch.... And I would also like to add that Seattle could have cut him and I would still have felt the same way....the 7th rounder has no bearing which way or the other for me... Obviously your prerogative to speculate with your roster any way you see fit. I've played this game too long to think that a 3rd year running back that has been unable to find success on his own team, even losing out to the current rookie, will suddenly have value when traded to a new team. Especially when you consider that the new team already has 3 healthy running backs in their back field. A 3rd year guy that hasn't been able to succeed who finds himself 4th on the depth chart on a new team doesn't sound like a success story to me ... no matter how big or how great the O-Line is for the new team. Skelator taught me many years ago the value of avoiding the running back that gets to share the ball with 2 or more other running backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloroform Rx Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I just want to add something; I firmly believe he is the 3rd RB in Dallas, not the 4th. I am hard-pressed to believe that if Randle and DMC went down that Dunbar would get carries on first and second down. It makes no sense to activate CMIKE when they've only given Dunbar 2 carries in 3 games. I know this isn't going to change any minds, but I don't think for a second that Dunbar is in the mix for any grunt work. His role in this offense is cemented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelmastr21 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 As in he may be active on game day? That's what qualifies as a shot nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I've played this game too long to think that a 3rd year running back that has been unable to find success on his own team, even losing out to the current rookie, will suddenly have value when traded to a new team.. Dion Lewis would like a word with you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 As in he may be active on game day? That's what qualifies as a shot nowadays?He's not on my bench for wk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I just want to add something; I firmly believe he is the 3rd RB in Dallas, not the 4th. I am hard-pressed to believe that if Randle and DMC went down that Dunbar would get carries on first and second down. It makes no sense to activate CMIKE when they've only given Dunbar 2 carries in 3 games. I know this isn't going to change any minds, but I don't think for a second that Dunbar is in the mix for any grunt work. His role in this offense is cemented.I pretty much posted this exact post upthread a ways. It was ignored like yours will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I just want to add something; I firmly believe he is the 3rd RB in Dallas, not the 4th. I am hard-pressed to believe that if Randle and DMC went down that Dunbar would get carries on first and second down. It makes no sense to activate CMIKE when they've only given Dunbar 2 carries in 3 games. I know this isn't going to change any minds, but I don't think for a second that Dunbar is in the mix for any grunt work. His role in this offense is cemented. Dunbar won't be inactive. Dunbar is the receiving RB. So while he might not take carries away from the RBs who are carrying the ball, he IS taking away the receptions and filling a role. That makes Michael 4th on the depth chart and the one that will be inactive. Michael won't be getting the receptions that Dunbar is getting and AT BEST shares the carries with Randle and DMC. You want to hold him on your roster with the thought that suddenly Dunbar won't be catching balls and Randle and DMC won't be carrying the ball ... more power to you. Everybody keeps talking about what a talent he is ... but I still maintain whether he is talented or not he will not get enough opportunities to ever start in your fantasy football lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Michael won't be getting the receptions that Dunbar is getting and AT BEST shares the carries with Randle and DMC. You want to hold him on your roster with the thought that suddenly Dunbar won't be catching balls and Randle and DMC won't be carrying the ball ... more power to you. . I'm not sure why I'm still beating this freaking horse but, is Randle getting enough carries to be startable in ff right now? Is 6th in the league in carries startable? Cuz last time i checked Dunbar is on the field quite often yet Randles is getting lots of touches. And just spitballing here but...if Randle were to be injured or...idk...shoplifts or something, and CM were to take Randles carries..would he be startable in a 2 rb 2 flex league? And I know McFadden is an iron man when it comes to injuries but, there's always a SMALL chance that he would miss some time and CM would get a chance to get carries and POSSIBLY do well 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Obviously your prerogative to speculate with your roster any way you see fit. I've played this game too long to think that a 3rd year running back that has been unable to find success on his own team, even losing out to the current rookie, will suddenly have value when traded to a new team. Especially when you consider that the new team already has 3 healthy running backs in their back field. A 3rd year guy that hasn't been able to succeed who finds himself 4th on the depth chart on a new team doesn't sound like a success story to me ... no matter how big or how great the O-Line is for the new team. Skelator taught me many years ago the value of avoiding the running back that gets to share the ball with 2 or more other running backs. What does Skelator and how long you have played fantasy have to do with any of this? Neither impact the Cowboys backfield that is seeking a bellcow... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Dunbar won't be inactive. Dunbar is the receiving RB. So while he might not take carries away from the RBs who are carrying the ball, he IS taking away the receptions and filling a role. That makes Michael 4th on the depth chart and the one that will be inactive. Michael won't be getting the receptions that Dunbar is getting and AT BEST shares the carries with Randle and DMC. You want to hold him on your roster with the thought that suddenly Dunbar won't be catching balls and Randle and DMC won't be carrying the ball ... more power to you. Everybody keeps talking about what a talent he is ... but I still maintain whether he is talented or not he will not get enough opportunities to ever start in your fantasy football lineup. How many starting RB's catch and run for their team? Or should I say do not have a receiving back coming in on passing downs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) With the way things are now there is no chance of CM being active because that would mean 5 RB active on game day. Randle, DMC, Dunbar all have specific roles, Clutts is a key part on special teams. So the only way CM is active is if one of them gets hurt and he can contribute on special teams, which to this point hasn't even been practicing with the special teams starters. Especially now that we are thin on D Line, have to go heavy on the O line also with Leary nicked up. So the only chance CM see's the active roster is if they want him over DMC or Randle which I doubt because DMC is their only reliable pass protection specialist should Weeden have to come from behind and drop back a lot. OR Injury to one of the backs. For as long as all the backs are healthy, I can't see this kid making the active roster until the D Line is back to full strength and the O line is healthy again. Not to beat this horse anymore but I just wanted to provide a bit of perspective for those who believe he is worth a shot. So they can know the signs to look for before CM gets any chance. So far here are the roles: Randle- Starter, lions share of carries but on shaky ground Dunbar- Pass catching back and safety valve for Weeden, kick returner, special teams DMC- backup runner and best back for pass protection, 3rd down specialist and short yardage. Clutts-Full back, key cog on all special teams CM has to do something else besides run the ball in order to take anyone's position but DMC and in order to do that he had better get cracking on pass protection or he has no chance in doing that. Currently a problem by the way. He's been slow picking up that aspect, knowing formations and assignments. Edited October 3, 2015 by Cowboyz1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 With the way things are now there is no chance of CM being active because that would mean 5 RB active on game day. Randle, DMC, Dunbar all have specific roles, Clutts is a key part on special teams. So the only way CM is active is if one of them gets hurt and he can contribute on special teams, which to this point hasn't even been practicing with the special teams starters. Especially now that we are thin on D Line, have to go heavy on the O line also with Leary nicked up. So the only chance CM see's the active roster is if they want him over DMC or Randle which I doubt because DMC is their only reliable pass protection specialist should Weeden have to come from behind and drop back a lot. OR Injury to one of the backs. For as long as all the backs are healthy, I can't see this kid making the active roster until the D Line is back to full strength and the O line is healthy again. Not to beat this horse anymore but I just wanted to provide a bit of perspective for those who believe he is worth a shot. So they can know the signs to look for before CM gets any chance. So far here are the roles: Randle- Starter, lions share of carries but on shaky ground Dunbar- Pass catching back and safety valve for Weeden, kick returner, special teams DMC- backup runner and best back for pass protection, 3rd down specialist and short yardage. Clutts-Full back, key cog on all special teams CM has to do something else besides run the ball in order to take anyone's position but DMC and in order to do that he had better get cracking on pass protection or he has no chance in doing that. Currently a problem by the way. He's been slow picking up that aspect, knowing formations and assignments. Is the point even being made for him to play this week? My point is DMC has to stay healthy and Dunbar hasn't shown that he can close out a game against an average run defense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I just want to add something; I firmly believe he is the 3rd RB in Dallas, not the 4th. I am hard-pressed to believe that if Randle and DMC went down that Dunbar would get carries on first and second down. It makes no sense to activate CMIKE when they've only given Dunbar 2 carries in 3 games. I know this isn't going to change any minds, but I don't think for a second that Dunbar is in the mix for any grunt work. His role in this offense is cemented. I agree Dunbar won't ever carry the load, but until one or both Randle/DMC are hurt or completely ineffective, Dunbar has a role and CMike doesn't. That to me makes him #4, and not worthy of being on MY roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Is the point even being made for him to play this week? My point is DMC has to stay healthy and Dunbar hasn't shown that he can close out a game against an average run defense I think the point is precisely that he won't play or be active and that isn't likely to change without injury. Yet people are clamoring to sign him. Who's the last player that this happened with, cannot recall one even close. The FA prospects are usually at least playing and showing a sign of (or have a track record of) contributing to their offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Is the point even being made for him to play this week?Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I think the point is precisely that he won't play or be active and that isn't likely to change without injury. Yet people are clamoring to sign him. Who's the last player that this happened with, cannot recall one even close. The FA prospects are usually at least playing and showing a sign of (or have a track record of) contributing to their offense. I have rostered him in a 14 teamer...everything else is a wait and see...but Dunbar is not likely a better every down back but hasn't warranted losing his job yet based off those first 3 carries last game... But he is closer to being active based off potential alone in the coming weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I think the point is precisely that he won't play or be active and that isn't likely to change without injury. Yet people are clamoring to sign him.The point is, hes behind a guy that has never proven he can carry the load, a guy that has a pretty long history of being injured and missing games, and a pass catching back that no one believes would ever be thought of as a "bellcow" rb...on a team that has a pretty decent offense and wants to run the football. And I don't think anyones "clamoring to sign him". I had room at the very end of my bench. I grabbed him off the wire for free a cpl wks ago. I believe he WILL get a chance to show what he can do this season...its a long season. If he flops...or I'm wrong and he doesn't get a chance, I'll cut him for someone else. Didn't cost me a thing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) he had better get cracking on pass protection or he has no chance in doing that. Currently a problem by the way. He's been slow picking up that aspect, knowing formations and assignments. link? because this is all I've seen on that topic: That’s good to see him work with our first group,” Linehan said. “I think he’s up to speed with the offense … He’s been coming along really good.” Edited October 3, 2015 by HowboutthemCowboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 link? because this is all I've seen on that topic: Thats good to see him work with our first group, Linehan said. I think hes up to speed with the offense Hes been coming along really good. That's...you know..."coach speak" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rileyrott Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 That's...you know..."coach speak" ....that's falling on deaf ears...to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Most insightful thread evah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylcook13 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I cant beleive that the guy ahead of me on the waiver wire took Dunbar over K. Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Is the point even being made for him to play this week? My point is DMC has to stay healthy and Dunbar hasn't shown that he can close out a game against an average run defense Err replace Dunnar with Randle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFreak Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 Yawnnn..... Bob Sturm, Dallas Morning News Question: So do you think Michael will be active on Sunday? I know Dunbar is basically a WR but when he's in the game, isn't he still the only RB out there? I don't remember any plays with Dunbar and Randle in there together. Still a challenge to split up 60 snaps amongst 4 RB's. Sturm: I think Michael does play and he could instantly get most of the carries. Pure speculation, but the Cowboys look to be serious about turning over every rock to try to find the right combination to get the offense going. I think Randle has a lot of upside, but Michael does too. It will be interesting. The Cowboys do have a package with Randle and Dunbar out of shotgun, but they ran it only once on Sunday. I am not sure how the snaps will be divided, but it might be quite a bit for Christine if it works early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fthree Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 sooooo should i leave dunbar on the waivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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