captain77 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) I am a co commish in a local league of friends which has been ongoing for 20+ years. An owner contacted the league group text and me personally via text regarding a lineup issue towards the end of the 3rd quarter in tonights game. He said he replaced Moncrief with Hurns before the start of the game via the app figured it was good. Well, the lineup change did not set and Moncrief remained in his lineup without his knowledge. I don't doubt that he thought he had changed his lineup and I would likely correct it if notified early into the game but at the end of the 3rd quarter is a bit far along in my opinion. Like I said, I do believe that he thought he swapped him out but my issue is not with this week's game but more for future owners claiming the same thing. Do we (co commish and I) allow this lineup change? If so, are we now supposed to change everyone's lineup 3 quarters into a game if they claim they thought they had started X instead of Y? Or do we say, "I'm sorry John we won't allow your lineup change even though we allowed Bill's two weeks ago." Or are we suppose to stick with what lineups that are set on the website at game time? Like I said, I do believe the owner thought he had swapped him out so not allowing the lineup change blows on all accounts. Here's the kicker…I am also playing the owner who has the lineup issue so if we deny his request he will likely think it's because we are playing each other even though it isn't completely my decision. No win situation… Edited October 9, 2015 by captain77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inziladun Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Tought luck, I find it hard to believe he's such a cry baby about it that he had the nerve to ask you to correct it. I've made mistakes like this in the past, I've played against friends in leagues where they didn't even change injured players because they overslept or some manure. I've played against a team who started Luck last week and he didn't even play obviously. They all kick themselves and move on. I also find it hard to believe he didn't notice this until the 3rd quarter of the game. Someone who cares that much about one player on his lineup was probably religiously checking his scores. He probably made the mistake, thought "oh well" then realized Moncrief was a bust this week and then felt justified to "correct" his mistake. Can't make a change like this, I'd agree with you, if he notified you earlier I'd be tempted to let it slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Every manager is responsible for his / her lineup. Too bad, so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswear3 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Better luck next week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Could easily be a genuine mistake but if its allowed to be changed then it opens the door for others to claim something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rileyrott Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Maybe if he had notified you right after the game started...then maybe. But, at the end of the 3rd Qtr...no. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 you have to leave his line-up "as is"...if you start making an exception, you're setting a dangerous precedence (which has already been pointed out)...we're all busy, making line-up changes on the fly via smartphone apps, etc., but at the end of the day it's YOUR (i.e., owner's) responsibility to make sure your change(s) saved properly...many times when I make changes via my phone, I forget to go back and double-check to ensure it saved, but that's 100% on me, not the commish... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Agree with the consensus, owners need to verify the line-up or roster change took properly. We had an issue recently like this, I forget all the details, but pretty sure we got an email call about it shortly after kickoff. Since we were notified early and trusted him (guy is very honest) we made the change. But even then we were worried about what the other owners would say. But its hard to accept somebody saying they made a change then it didn't take hours later and make line-up changes, it will cause some to question the move and others to try and take advantage. Last weekend we had an owner trying to make a roster move using the CBS mobile app Sunday mornign, it wouldn't let him do it (but other owners did make roster moves that morning. He contacted both co-commish and his opponent to let him know he was trying to pickup Hasselbeck to play him in week 4 game (Luck was out, his other QB on bye). We made the appropriate changes Monday morning (we didn't have all the info we needed until then) and let the league know what happened in the weekly commish msg. We also advised owners to be more careful and make sure that the changes they may are done completely. And specifically that the mobile app (neither the co-commish or I use it) may have quirks or issues. One night I swear I made a line-up change on my tablet, but it wasn't there when I checked from my PC at work the next day. I had used the tablet to make changes before with no problem so I figure I may have just forget to click the "submit" button after swapping the players involed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 tough titty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobwaa Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 cant do it .... cross that line and the floodgates open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 yeah, he's outta luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ted Goings Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) He should understand the precedent that it would set to let him change his line up. For the record, He is your friend, and it is good of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, but as an objective observer, I don't believe for a second that he meant to sit a red hot Moncrief for Hurns who is still listed as questionable. Ok, maybe I believe it for a second because the match up is better, but Moncief has been a week in, week out starter since week 1. Edited October 9, 2015 by Ted Goings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn5033 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I agree with everyone else. It sucks but it happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Haven't read all responses, but I have two main thoughts regarding the situation: 1. As you are playing this owner, I think you need to remove yourself from the decision making process and let the other co-commish make the final decision. Not saying that you can't be unbiased in this situation, just that as a commish, you need to make sure that you appear to be beyond reproach in these situations. 2. Absolutely no way can the lineup be changed. While he thought he changed it, it is still his responsibility to double check the lineup reflected after he submits a change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 That is not a conundrum at all ... owners are responsible for setting their own lineups and lineups simply cannot be changed after the game has started ... that would be a horrible precedent to set. No matter what this owner's intentions were or were not ... somebody will wonder if he would have called to make the change had Montcrief had AJ's stat line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 An example... Last week I was trying to swap in Kamar Aiken for Zo Taliaferro right before the Thursday kickoff. Due to being hassled by my 4 year old, I was about 30 seconds too late to the submit button. Had I gotten it done, I win that matchup. Because I didn't, I lost. Shoulda gotten my lineup done earlier in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesomebench Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 If you agree to change his, you will have ppl trying to use same excuse all year. Dont change it, a manager has to accept their mistakes...imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 No no no he is stuck with what he's got too bad so sad lesson learned. Check your lineup and then check it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelmastr21 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Unless he was in another country cut off from Internet access there is no excuse. Maybe if realized at kickoff and called you but by the 3rd quarter it's too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 No fn way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I can't believe some of the questions that get asked about this crap. 3rd quarter? Seriously? Who in their right mind even asks for the swap, and who in their right mind or not even considers granting this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Sorry, he is SOL if he did not check his lineup to see if it was entered correctly. Also that would open a can of worms setting precident for others to do the same in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I can't believe some of the questions that get asked about this crap. 3rd quarter? Seriously? Who in their right mind even asks for the swap, and who in their right mind or not even considers granting this?right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ted Goings Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'm guessing that Captain77's plan all along was to tell the guy tough luck and when the guy complains, the Cap can show him this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain77 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 I'm guessing that Captain77's plan all along was to tell the guy tough luck and when the guy complains, the Cap can show him this thread. this. AND to gauge all you huddlers to see which one of your opinions i couldn't trust anymore...how could you value someone's opinion if they think you should be able to change a lineup 3 quarters into a game like i said, if he had notified me or anyone else early (like a few minutes) into the 1st quarter i would have had no problem switching out his lineup as mistakes happen and i do honestly believe he thought he had switched it out. but in no way can we have owners claiming this type of thing in the future. all that being said, after we exchanged a few texts, i explained my point and he understood and did not raise a stink. which i am grateful for…fantasy can bring the worst out among the best of friends. and in the past i was no different as i am no saint. but i do believe this situation was handled correctly. thanks for the replies fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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