pun Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) What do these words even mean? I see it all the time. "blah blah blah we'll see if Chip Kelly's offense can prove itself blah blah blah." "Chip Kelly's rube goldberg machine will look to bounce back against so-and-so next week." It seems to have become a meme. I don't think the writers even know what they mean when they say that, because I've googled far and wide for what defines "Chip Kelly's offense" and how that's different from "an offense that Chip Kelly is the coach of," and haven't come up with anything. So, anyone know? Edited November 9, 2015 by pun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Quarter Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 That's a good question. Most of the time it seems a dysfunctional mess and occasionally they actually look like an NFL calibre offense. Bradford seems like he can hit some deep throws but most of the calls are short timing patterns, that either get dropped or Bradford misses the throw. The running game seems all to be going east/west and Sproles seems to be the only guy fast enough to get around the corner. I really can't figure it out. Is it Kelly's playcalling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn5033 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) All I know is the offense looked a lot better with the players he inherited than it does now. Edited November 9, 2015 by Finn5033 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It means the QB is not allowed to call an audible...ever... It also means you run when you are supposed to pass and pass when you're supposed to run... Oh, and shotgun is automatic inside the 20... Speaking of shotgun....I think I need one... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Quarter Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yep, even Sanchez was a decent bye week filler last year. Had to put J-Matt and Bradford on my bench until they can get it together. (If) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faceplant Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I always thought "Chip Kelly Offense" just meant that you just hike the ball as fast as you can to keep the defense on their toes. Everything else he's doing has been done before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy Named Suh Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 There are a lot of articles online about the offense that he ran at Oregon, and thought that he was going to be able to run in Philadelphia.. Faceplant is correct that the cornerstone is tempo, but the offense itself is unusual because it is a combination spread offense with inside/outside zone reads. The problem in Philly is that the zone read aspect relies on blocking to to work, and the O-Line isn't getting the job done regularly enough to force defenses to commit to stuffing the box to cover the zone read outlets which makes the play action, jet sweep, and bubble screen almost useless, which are the plays that made Oregon so dangerous down the field. Plus, in my experience, it is almost impossible to get NFL WRs to block downfield. There are exceptions, but these guys play patty cake out there compared to a lot of college teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmytose Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 That's a good question. Most of the time it seems a dysfunctional mess and occasionally they actually look like an NFL calibre offense. Bradford seems like he can hit some deep throws but most of the calls are short timing patterns, that either get dropped or Bradford misses the throw. The running game seems all to be going east/west and Sproles seems to be the only guy fast enough to get around the corner. I really can't figure it out. Is it Kelly's playcalling? There are a lot of short timing patterns, but I think part of the problem with the downfield passing is that other than Jordan Matthews, who typically plays in the slot, there really isn't any other WR that the opposing defense looks at as a legitimate "threat". Riley Cooper, Miles Austin, Josh Huff, and Nelson Agholor are not names that strike fear in the opposing secondaries. They don't seem to be able to get open deep at all. Without anyone on the team to stretch the field and provide a legitimate downfield threat, there won't be many opportunities to throw it deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 It's another way of saying 'eff you, our defense' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 There are a lot of short timing patterns, but I think part of the problem with the downfield passing is that other than Jordan Matthews, who typically plays in the slot, there really isn't any other WR that the opposing defense looks at as a legitimate "threat". Riley Cooper, Miles Austin, Josh Huff, and Nelson Agholor are not names that strike fear in the opposing secondaries. They don't seem to be able to get open deep at all. Without anyone on the team to stretch the field and provide a legitimate downfield threat, there won't be many opportunities to throw it deep. I don't care if nobody is running a route to go deep....throw the ball deep anyways ....put it in their heads that you can and will throw it deep..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswear3 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Without anyone on the team to stretch the field and provide a legitimate downfield threat, there won't be many opportunities to throw it deep. If only they hadn't released quite possibly the best deep threat in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 If only they hadn't released quite possibly the best deep threat in the NFL. I'm missing something here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Chip Kelly came into NFL with a Chip on his shoulder ( no pun intended ) and he appears to have gone out of his way to make sure everyone knows that he is charge of getting rid of the players he wants and picking up the ones he wants all in order to try and prove he has reinvented the wheel which he has not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faceplant Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm missing something here... I'm assuming he means DeSean Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm assuming he means DeSean Jackson. Oh I figured...just not sure if the statement is sarcasm, exaggeration, or a quote from long ago that I missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswear3 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Oh I figured...just not sure if the statement is sarcasm, exaggeration, or a quote from long ago that I missed. Maybe a bit of exaggeration, but I'd say that Desean Jackson is among the best deep threats in the NFL and "Rimmytose" was saying they were missing a deep threat. My point being Chip Kelly had a very good offense in Philly when he arrived and he released/traded away it's most valuable assets to implement his own guys, and clearly it isn't working particularly well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inziladun Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 My favorite DeSean play was when he spiked it before he crossed the plane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswear3 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 DeSean is talented, but the Eagles offense was good last year without a deep threat. They were good last year, but both QB's(Sanchez and Foles) were each below average deep passers, with Sanchez ranking among the league's worst. Also, Maclin(another player Chip let walk) was 11th in YPR and 6th in catches of 20+ so I'd say they still had a pretty good deep threat last year. I know your point isn't specifically about deep passes, but neither is mine, its about Chip letting good players walk because he doesn't think they "fit his system" or he just doesn't like them. The season is still young, but in my opinion the Chip Kelly experiment is failing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 They were good last year, but both QB's(Sanchez and Foles) were each below average deep passers, with Sanchez ranking among the league's worst. Also, Maclin(another player Chip let walk) was 11th in YPR and 6th in catches of 20+ so I'd say they still had a pretty good deep threat last year. I know your point isn't specifically about deep passes, but neither is mine, its about Chip letting good players walk because he doesn't think they "fit his system" or he just doesn't like them. The season is still young, but in my opinion the Chip Kelly experiment is failing. I think it is more about "I can win without these guys" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pun Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 its about Chip letting good players walk because he doesn't think they "fit his system" or he just doesn't like them. The season is still young, but in my opinion the Chip Kelly experiment is failing. OK no offense but this is sorta what I'm talking about. what "system" are you talking about (the zone reads?)? what is experimental here? just losing maclin and jackson - that's the "experiment?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pun Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) thank you that was really informative. it actually makes sense IMO. it's almost like, instead of running back by committee - offense by committee (except for the QB and maybe the line) - have lots of basically interchangeable backs (i guess this is why both demarco and mathews have been putting up solid numbers), WRs, TEs, and maybe linemen too (idk). It's treating each player almost as just a body and making "skill players" irrelevant. Kinda sucks from a fantasy prospective but not a bad idea IMO from a winning football games prospective. Of course yeah you'd probably need at least more than one skill player (DeMarco), and I guess they thought they had that with Matthews (maybe they still do?). And of course you'd need a better QB than Bradford, but then again I think most offenses would prefer a better QB than Bradford. Edited November 11, 2015 by pun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeconsumer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Kinda sucks from a fantasy prospective but not a bad idea IMO from a winning football games prospective. Except he's not really doing a whole lot of winning, better than some, but nothing special. IMO the best coaches don't change the players to fit their system, they change their system to fit the players. Edited November 11, 2015 by timeconsumer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pun Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Except he's not really doing a whole lot of winning, better than some, but nothing special. IMO the best coaches don't change the players to fit their system, they change their system to fit the players. Would you really expect them to be that much better than 4-4 if they weren't doing this though? I mean they lost to the Falcons (good team), the Cowboys (when Romo was playing, an understandable loss), the Panthers (what more is there to say), and the Redskins (this is the only game they definitely should have won). Edited November 11, 2015 by pun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Chip Kelly's rebuilding of the Eagles has put them in a position where they are going to need to rebuild. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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