Trojanmojo Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) In one of the BoTH 32 team IDP dynasty leagues I'm in, we recently had an issue with an owner leaving his very best players on the bench so he could tank for a higher draft pick. He stated he did this because he didn't see anything against it in the rules. Now, 90%+ of us know this is wrong regardless of it not being in the rules but because clearly there is that small minority who don't see it that way, our league now needs to institute an actual anti-tanking rule. Do any of you peeps have any anti-tanking rules in your leagues to combat this? I'm kinda thinking about proposing that we take the draft picks from teams that do this and move them to the end of each round. Any other ideas you fellas/ladies have that have worked well for you over the years? Edited November 25, 2015 by Trojanmojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 you should just boot him to make an example of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fastdoc Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Stacking the deck this year so he has a better roster next year? Probably happens a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcheese Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just have a lottery. All non-playoff teams have an equal chance of getting the top pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just have a lottery. All non-playoff teams have an equal chance of getting the top pick. The whole point of a draft based on finish in a dynasty league is to give the teams that need the most help the higher draft picks - a lottery can work counter to this idea, ESPECIALLY in a 32 team league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I like the idea of taking picks.... 4.1 Tanking is a serious threat to the integrity of Dynasty Wars II. Tanking is the act of submitting a weaker lineup in hopes of improving draft position, or by means of neglecting you team so that you are no longer managing your team. Both negatively effect the league. Under these rules you may never submit an injured person listed as “out” the injury report or a player on a bye week. These players are assured to score zero points. If you have someone on your team that could start in their place you must use them instead. Starting lesser quality players over higher quality players is allowed. However if it is believed that the owner is submiting a lineup in order to lose a game they will also recieve the same penalty. Owners have a great deal of freedom to submit lineups they are comfortable with; they can take chances and start players they are comfortable with. This rule is not to make sure that you start your best 16 players but that you keep the league competitive. Owners that break these rules are brought in front of the Commish or a League vote who can enforce a penalty of 1 draft position on the next 1st round pick that they own. If this violation happens more than once in the season the owner will be removed from the league. The Commish will set that teams lineup until a replacement owner is found. 4.1 Tanking is a serious threat to the integrity of the league. Tanking is the act of: 1) submitting a weaker lineup in hopes of improving draft position, or 2) neglecting your team so that it is no longer being managed. Both tactics negatively affect the league and are forbidden under CBFL rules. Under this rule, it is never acceptable to submit to your starting lineup an injured person listed as "out" on the Friday injury report, or start a player on a bye week. These players are assured to score zero points. If you have someone on your team that could start in their place you must use them instead. Owners have a great deal of freedom to submit lineups they feel will perform best, and starting lesser quality players over higher quality players is allowed in the interest of "playing the matchups." The purpose of this rule is not to make sure that you the best 16 are always started in every case, but to ensure that the CBFL remains competitive. Any Owner suspected breaking these rules, by way of submitting a lineup in order to purposefully score fewer points or lose a game, will be brought in front of the Commissioners for a League vote, which if approved may result in a penalty of 1 draft position on the next 1st round pick that they own. If this violation happens more than once in the season the owner will be removed from the league. The Commish will set that teams lineup until a replacement owner is found. Chapter 3 - Tanking 3.1 Tanking is a serious threat to the integrity of GMX. Tanking is the act of submitting a weaker lineup in hopes of improving draft position, or by means of neglecting you team so that you are no longer managing your team. Both negatively effect the league. Under these rules you may never submit an injured person listed as "out" the injury report or a player on a bye week. These players are assured to score zero points. If you have someone on your team that could start in their place you must use them instead. Starting lesser quality players over higher quality players is allowed. However if it is believed that the owner is submiting a lineup in order to lose a game they will also recieve the same penalty. Owners have a great deal of freedom to submit lineups they are comfortable with; they can take chances and start players they are comfortable with. This rule is not to make sure that you start your best 16 players but that you keep the league competitive. Owners that break these rules are brought in front of the Commish or a League vote who can enforce a penalty of 1 draft position on the next 1st round pick that they own. If this violation happens more than once in the season the owner will be removed from the league. The Commish will set that teams lineup until a replacement owner is found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Similar concerns, and we recently instituted this rule into the Constitution. We do an NBA style lottery for 6 teams not making the playoffs in our 14 team keeper league. Ping pong ball theory... 6 balls for the worst record, 5 balls for the 2nd worst, etc. We draw for the first three draft slots, and then 4,5,6 are based on record. Worst team in the league will drop no further than 4th overall. Hopefully keeps more teams engaged in the race for the playoffs. The "draw" is in February after the Super Bowl and after everyone has committed to the coming back for the following season. Off-season trading opens up afterward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) (Devil's Advocate) It's a dynasty league and he is in theory making his team better by doing worse this year. Assuming he has no shot at the playoffs this year, he is actually doing what is in the best interest of his team, which is what is usually encouraged of owners, and you think he should be punished for this? If you do not want owners doing what is in the best interest of their team, adjust the rules so that what is in the best interest of their team also encourages the behavior you want, which in this case is playing to win as much as possible. Some ideas: Have a fee for losses, or even a fee per point of the loss. Have a lottery to determine the draft order for non-playoff teams (can be weighted or not) Have a toilet bowl that determines who gets the top picks Set draft order to be in order of finish for the non-playoff teams. (ie, 16 teams make playoffs, 16 don't - the team in 17th place gets the 1st pick, 18th place gets 2nd pick, and so on) Or just punish owners for doing what is best for their team Edited November 25, 2015 by Big Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Similar concerns, and we recently instituted this rule into the Constitution. We do an NBA style lottery for 6 teams not making the playoffs in our 14 team keeper league. Ping pong ball theory... 6 balls for the worst record, 5 balls for the 2nd worst, etc. We draw for the first three draft slots, and then 4,5,6 are based on record. Worst team in the league will drop no further than 4th overall. Hopefully keeps more teams engaged in the race for the playoffs. The "draw" is in February after the Super Bowl and after everyone has committed to the coming back for the following season. Off-season trading opens up afterward. As I said previously ... probably a less valid approach in a 32 team league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) While I generally like the approach of a toilet bowl to establish draft order with the winner getting the top pick, doesn't that somewhat defeat the purpose of giving higher picks to the worst teams to allow them to improve? The team that wins the SB could be quite a bit better than the team that finishes last in the league. Edited November 25, 2015 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmojo Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 I like the idea of taking picks.... Thanks Zooty. Saw that last night in GMX but am not clear...Would that be like moving from 1.1 to 1.2 or 1.1 to 2.1? Are we talking about going from the 1st overall pick to the 2nd overall pick or from the 1st pick in the 1st round to the 1st pick in the second round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Thanks Zooty. Saw that last night in GMX but am not clear...Would that be like moving from 1.1 to 1.2 or 1.1 to 2.1? Are we talking about going from the 1st overall pick to the 2nd overall pick or from the 1st pick in the 1st round to the 1st pick in the second round? Never happened so I'm not sure but to me it reads that you would go from 1.2 to 1.3, not a whole round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Lowest Potential Points to Highest Potential Points for the non-playoff teams. If they try to tank, they have to start real early in the year. Can't just submit a crappy line-up for a higher pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Lowest Potential Points to Highest Potential Points for the non-playoff teams. If they try to tank, they have to start real early in the year. Can't just submit a crappy line-up for a higher pick. Potential Points can be deceiving though based on how people manage their roster (such as rostering injured players or 2 QBs, Defenses, or god forbid Kickers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 you should just boot him in the face to make an example of him. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I've never been a part of this scenario, and I've heard it to cause great fiction in previous BoTH leagues. Unfortunately, I just can't see how you force an owner to make lineup choices, as long as they set a roster. Are you going to argue with a GM who makes a ton of trades to get 6+ first round picks? Trading away their current to gamble on the future. I've seen it, and hate when I see it, but there's no managing another GM's team, as long as they are managing. However - booting and or penalizing could work too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Lowest Potential Points to Highest Potential Points for the non-playoff teams. If they try to tank, they have to start real early in the year. Can't just submit a crappy line-up for a higher pick. This. Not only is tanking alleviated, but it's also a far better measure of team strength. Record is notoriously unreliable. One team is 2-11 but finishes with 1500 points, another team is 4-9 but finishes with 1300 points. Which team is actually the better team? The 2-11 team is probably a better team but got unlucky with weekly matchups, playing teams on their stronger weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 This. Not only is tanking alleviated, but it's also a far better measure of team strength. Record is notoriously unreliable. One team is 2-11 but finishes with 1500 points, another team is 4-9 but finishes with 1300 points. Which team is actually the better team? The 2-11 team is probably a better team but got unlucky with weekly matchups, playing teams on their stronger weeks. I disagree to an extent ... if I end up with Andy Dalton and Tom Brady on my team my "potential" is overstated because I can only ever start on of those guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I disagree to an extent ... if I end up with Andy Dalton and Tom Brady on my team my "potential" is overstated because I can only ever start on of those guys. Only one will ever count against potential. We're not talking total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelmastr21 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 We have a playoff of teams that don't make the playoffs for the top pick and the rest of the draft order for the non-playoff teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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