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Roger Goodell lie to push an agenda? Noooo, can't be...


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http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/02/03/why-tuesdays-news-from-roger-goodell-was-a-huge-story/

 

 

Roger Goodell has staked his entire reputation on this foolish case, and it’s one he’s still fighting in a federal appeals court. Releasing recorded data that shows footballs do in fact lose air pressure in different temperatures would prove him to have been wrong all along. After investing millions upon millions of dollars, and after dedicating more than a year of his life to the matter, Goodell obviously is too proud to wave any sort of white flag.

Worse, it would prove that he paid Exponent as well as Princeton University’s Dr. Daniel Marlow to twist science. It sure is interesting how fundamental principles of science can be bent when there is a fat paycheck involved.

 

Kessler: Now, when you say, “They had eleven balls 10 under compliance,” what you meant is that they had 11 eleven balls that were below 12.5 being measured, 12 correct?

Vincent: Yes.

Kessler: But at the time, you didn’t know that some of that reduction could happen just because of cold or wetness or other factors, right? That just wasn’t something you were aware of, correct?

Vincent: I didn’t include science, no, sir.

 

Troy Vincent — a man whose foremost job responsibility is to “protect the integrity” of the NFL, a man who was in the center of The Great Air Pressure Measurement of 2015 — admitted that at no point did the NFL or anyone measuring the footballs know one thing about science. Every single part of the NFL’s “investigation” was done under the assumption that the Patriots were guilty. Everything else worked backward from that spot, and if science had to be twisted (or obliterated) in some cases, then so be it. You only get so many chances to catch a team “cheating” red-handed.

Why is this so familiar? :thinking:

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Crappy article from a crappy local homer reporter. Rajn, your obsession with Bountygate and Goodell isn't healthy.

If the NFL levied the level of punishment on your team under similar circumstances with the same amount of evidence then you would be no less jaded.
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If the NFL levied the level of punishment on your team under similar circumstances with the same amount of evidence then you would be no less jaded.

 

You sound like an OJ Simpson apologist. OJ Simpson killed Nicole. The Saints had a bounty system. Belichick taped other teams. Tom Brady had balls deflated. Goodell might be a massive prick, but he decided he was going to take cheating out of football and a person who wasn't a prick couldn't have gotten the job done.

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You should like an OJ Simpson apologist. OJ Simpson killed Nicole. The Saints had a bounty system. Belichick taped other teams. Tom Brady had balls deflated. Goodell might be a massive prick, but he decided he was going to take cheating out of football and a person who wasn't a prick couldn't have gotten the job done.

 

I agree with the sentiment that someone who wasn't a prick wasn't going to get cheating out of the game. That being said. why has he chosen to take such an aggressive stance towards silly things like the psi of a football and players smoking pot instead of being more aggressive towards the very likely use of steroids in the NFL which is so much more egregious than anything Tom Brady has been accused of.

 

It seems that almost every player that was even slightly suspected of using steroids in the MLB was chased down and caught. Guys like Shawn Merriman and Antonio Gates got slaps on the wrist that no one even really took notice too. If Goodell really wanted to get rid of cheating he would look into steroids not the weight of a football. It is possible that a majority of the NFL is clean in this regard, but I would like to at least know that the NFL is doing all it can to make sure that it is.

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You sound like an OJ Simpson apologist. OJ Simpson killed Nicole. The Saints had a bounty system. Belichick taped other teams. Tom Brady had balls deflated. Goodell might be a massive prick, but he decided he was going to take cheating out of football and a person who wasn't a prick couldn't have gotten the job done.

You're analogy is pretty offensive. I was never a Ray Rice apologist. In fact I wanted him out of the league, but that still didn't change the fact that the league completely blew the investigation and basically bull-tacoted their way through the entire process.

 

So you have no issue with the league presenting evidence they know to be false, has been proven to be false and has been proven that they had to have known it was false, both publicly as well as purposefully leaking it to the media in order to make their punishment fit their version of the crime? On top of that, also parading out so-called "experts" and "impartial" :winkwink: investigators who are being paid to sell their bill of goods?

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You sound like an OJ Simpson apologist. OJ Simpson killed Nicole. The Saints had a bounty system. Belichick taped other teams. Tom Brady had balls deflated. Goodell might be a massive prick, but he decided he was going to take cheating out of football and a person who wasn't a prick couldn't have gotten the job done.

 

He's done a bang up job with cleaning up the league. Why we haven't had a domestic violence problem in a whole yea...wait scratch that. We haven't had a player get arrested in a whole yea...hmm nope there too. We haven't had a steroid violation in a...ah (the really bad word) it. Seriously what has his "hardline" stance accomplished exactly?

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Yet a player knocks a clipboard out of a coaches hands, beats women, and treats everyone like garbage and will still play for millions of dollars. It's selective punishment just like at my work. Yes there is a lot of cheating, some just don't get caught and some on purpose. You don't think baseball knew of the steriods and p.e.d.'s during the homerun parade? Sure they did It's about $$$ and when you don't make them $$$ you get thrown to the curb.

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"I did not include science"

 

What an ignorant statement. Is 'science' like a side of rice with your meal? Did you also include 'English'? What about 'breathing'? These jackasses that keep saying "it's science" are nothing but a bunch of obnoxious parrots who are trying to drown out logic with their noise.

 

The whole thesis of the football changing temperature, and thus pressure, is a far more complicated thermodynamic process than any of these biased journalists could ever hope to calculate. The case that they are presenting is well beyond oversimplified and is just as, if not more, biased as anything that the league has presented to date.

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Despite the NFL laying out a procedure that forced referees to report recorded PSI levels from halftime and after randomly selected games, Goodell denied that such a practice was meant to be an experiment to see if all of those scientists and physicists were actually right. Instead, Goodell claimed that the procedures were put in place merely as a deterrent to prevent any teams from tampering with footballs.


Yet is there any one sad soul on the planet who believes that if the recorded data showed that the air pressure inside footballs never dropped in different atmospheric conditions, that the NFL would notrelease the data?


Please.



It's a good thing that biased journalists are not the people conducting scientific experiments. Because if this idiot thinks that the pressure recording activities that the league has been doing constitute a scientific experiment, then I am guessing that he started cheating in science class all the way back in the 6th grade and never learned a goddamned thing.


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Nevermind that the half pound of air the balls were actually short is far different from what was actually portrayed in the beginning. Whether they deflated the balls or not does not change the fact that the league presented a false, or at the very least, inflated image of the events that took place and the evidence they had.

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You're analogy is pretty offensive. I was never a Ray Rice apologist. In fact I wanted him out of the league, but that still didn't change the fact that the league completely blew the investigation and basically bull-tacoted their way through the entire process.

 

So you have no issue with the league presenting evidence they know to be false, has been proven to be false and has been proven that they had to have known it was false, both publicly as well as purposefully leaking it to the media in order to make their punishment fit their version of the crime? On top of that, also parading out so-called "experts" and "impartial" :winkwink: investigators who are being paid to sell their bill of goods?

 

You make good points. But Sean Payton, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady weren't going to go down easy. To take them down, Goodell couldn't fight fair. Fighting fair would mean they get off because of a lack of evidence or a technicality. We all know they are guilty. Goodell decided he was going to fight dirty and win.

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You make good points. But Sean Payton, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady weren't going to go down easy. To take them down, Goodell couldn't fight fair. Fighting fair would mean they get off because of a lack of evidence or a technicality. We all know they are guilty. Goodell decided he was going to fight dirty and win.

Sounds a lot like the cops in the Avery case, actually. :thinking:

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You make good points. But Sean Payton, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady weren't going to go down easy. To take them down, Goodell couldn't fight fair. Fighting fair would mean they get off because of a lack of evidence or a technicality. We all know they are guilty. Goodell decided he was going to fight dirty and win.

 

Well thank God your not a judge. Beginning to wonder... :fishy:

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He's done a bang up job with cleaning up the league. Why we haven't had a domestic violence problem in a whole yea...wait scratch that. We haven't had a player get arrested in a whole yea...hmm nope there too. We haven't had a steroid violation in a...ah smoochie it. Seriously what has his "hardline" stance accomplished exactly?

 

Players are getting arrested at all time lows. There are 2,000+ players on NFL rosters. Some guys are going to get in trouble. But players are better behaved than ever. And I guarantee you teams are afraid to cheat now. And afraid of Goodell in general.

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You make good points. But Sean Payton, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady weren't going to go down easy. To take them down, Goodell couldn't fight fair. Fighting fair would mean they get off because of a lack of evidence or a technicality. We all know they are guilty. Goodell decided he was going to fight dirty and win.

 

"We all know they are guilty." Come on man, whether they are guilty or not is up to the prosecutor. If they cant prove they are guilty then that falls on them. If that falls apart, so does our entire country.

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I agree with the sentiment that someone who wasn't a prick wasn't going to get cheating out of the game. That being said. why has he chosen to take such an aggressive stance towards silly things like the psi of a football and players smoking pot instead of being more aggressive towards the very likely use of steroids in the NFL which is so much more egregious than anything Tom Brady has been accused of.

 

Because he can't take an aggressive stance about one thing and not about another.

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I'm more likely to believe that OJ and Avery were framed and innocent than that Belichick, Brady, and the Saints were innocent. And the standard of proof needs to be higher in a murder trial than in a non-criminal, non-legal internal NFL problem/drama.

The Saints were never "innocent." That was never the question. It was what they were guilty of and what a fair punishment should be.
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Because he can't take an aggressive stance about one thing and not about another.

That's the point he is making. His argument is that the league does not pursue the performance enhancing drug issue with the same fervor they claim to pursue player safety with. Which would imply that the league only gives a manure about what is the got hot topic at the time.
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Because he can't take an aggressive stance about one thing and not about another.

 

This is my point. Why take such an aggressive stance towards players smoking Josh Gordon and the inflation of a football and not towards something that really hurts credibility of the product on the field. I mean sometimes it even seems that the league is more concerned with how players are celebrating plays than they do about the potential for steroid use by its players.

 

If you are arguing that he doesn't take aggressive stances on those things, that is a pretty foolish argument.

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