DMD Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 It now appears that his suspension has been upheld (or rather his appeal has been denied). He will miss four games despite all the legal wrangling. Does it put a mark on his legacy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) meh... He'll be a 1st ballot inductee into Canton, for sure. No one will ever dispute how talented and clutch Brady was. That said, I've always hated his smug, arrogant, childish demeanor and absolutely can't stand his cry baby act on and off the field. As for his legacy, he'll go down as one of the all-time top 5 QBs (or better), and will always be remembered as a whiney cry-baby, lying, cheater. A perfect representation of the hoards of entitled millennials (even though brady is older). Edited July 13, 2016 by Dcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 No, this is a case of the players gave too much authority in the CBA to someone who has an even bigger ego then the player everyone bitches about. At best this was a team violation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) It now appears that his suspension has been upheld (or rather his appeal has been denied). He will miss four games despite all the legal wrangling. Does it put a mark on his legacy?no. The whole thing was a ridiculous waste of time and money Edited July 13, 2016 by HowboutthemCowboys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 yes vote, I see captainhook dropped by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 How many outside the Patriots fan base like Brady? By contrast how many NFL fans (that were not Colts or Broncos fans at the time) like Peyton Manning? Brady's legacy is a great QB, but maybe that's not the case without BB and all his tricks. Furthermore he just isn't that likable, and many see him as arrogant etc. I don't think it tarnishes his image because it wasn't that good to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I didn't realize this was still going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 How many outside the Patriots fan base like Brady? By contrast how many NFL fans (that were not Colts or Broncos fans at the time) like Peyton Manning? Brady's legacy is a great QB, but maybe that's not the case without BB and all his tricks. Furthermore he just isn't that likable, and many see him as arrogant etc. I don't think it tarnishes his image because it wasn't that good to begin with. I've never liked Brady (Michigan State fan, so even hated him in college). But I respect what he's been able to accomplish and his longevity as an elite player. Is there an asterisk on his career? Not from throwing deflated footballs. If anything, it'd be from Spygate which I still look at with marvel... How did such a significant violation of league integrity get essentially swept under the rug so effectively? As for Brady not being great without Belichick... That's a real reach IMO. Does anyone think Joe Montana was only great because of Bill Walsh? What about Marino because of Shula? It just doesn't matter how good the coach is - they aren't the ones executing the plays, calling audibles, making split second decisions. That doesn't take away from the coaching at all. It takes both planning and execution to achieve greatness. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcheese Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 It's an interesting topic, and regardless of the InflateGate situation, Brady will always be regarded as and talked about as one of the best QB's to ever play the game. However, whether we all think that InflateGate will or will not leave a mark on his legacy, the fact that it will always be discussed in itself means that is will leave a mark on his legacy. Even if those discussions about his HOF status or career status even bring up the fact that he was suspended for InflateGate and didn't deserve to be suspended, the single fact that it will always be discussed and mentioned leaves that mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABearWithFurniture Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Does anyone remember that game with the Colts when they 'discovered' the deflated balls and filled them up to capacity at halftime? He proceeded to torch them for about 4 passing TDs in the second half with proper inflation. Maybe they should let him play with the deflation and give the rest of the league a chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Does anyone remember that game with the Colts when they 'discovered' the deflated balls and filled them up to capacity at halftime? He proceeded to torch them for about 4 passing TDs in the second half with proper inflation. Maybe they should let him play with the deflation and give the rest of the league a chance... Yes.This isn't a guy that had half a season with a corked bat, and then after he got caught he hit .150 with no home runs. And we're talking a lb of air ...waste of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 DeflateGate was only a thing because Goodell refused to let it die. I like how ESPN covered this last year - Goodell is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can we check Goodell's phone for evidence of a conspiracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcheese Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I understand everyone's take that this was all such a waste of time because we're talking about how much air is in a football. However: 1. There is a rule in place about the appropriate levels of PSI allowed in a football. I'm not entirely sure why there is a rule, but there is a rule, and there should be punishment when someone breaks a rule. This is similar to players smoking pot - is it really that bad or harmful to anyone? Does anyone really care if a player smokes pot? Well there is a rule in place, and players are suspended for breaking that rule. Whether you agree with the rule or not is irrelevant. Look at the new slide rule in baseball. Not everyone (fans, players) likes the rule, but it still has to be followed. 2. A lot of people challenge that changing the amount of air in a ball makes any difference at all. There have been studies performed to calculate distance, accuracy, etc. with different PSI levels. To me, this is all irrelevant. The only relevant thing here is that Brady thought there was enough benefit for himself to have the PSI levels changed inside those footballs. Whether there was actually a benefit or not means nothing. I totally understand that scientifically the difference is marginal. Regardless, the levels were changed outside of determined legal limits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I understand everyone's take that this was all such a waste of time because we're talking about how much air is in a football. However: 1. There is a rule in place about the appropriate levels of PSI allowed in a football. I'm not entirely sure why there is a rule, but there is a rule, and there should be punishment when someone breaks a rule. This is similar to players smoking pot - is it really that bad or harmful to anyone? Does anyone really care if a player smokes pot? Well there is a rule in place, and players are suspended for breaking that rule. Whether you agree with the rule or not is irrelevant. Look at the new slide rule in baseball. Not everyone (fans, players) likes the rule, but it still has to be followed. 2. A lot of people challenge that changing the amount of air in a ball makes any difference at all. There have been studies performed to calculate distance, accuracy, etc. with different PSI levels. To me, this is all irrelevant. The only relevant thing here is that Brady thought there was enough benefit for himself to have the PSI levels changed inside those footballs. Whether there was actually a benefit or not means nothing. I totally understand that scientifically the difference is marginal. Regardless, the levels were changed outside of determined legal limits. I dont know if anyone's saying they didnt break a rule. I'm saying it's been blown of proportion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcheese Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I dont know if anyone's saying they didnt break a rule. I'm saying it's been blown of proportion That's fair. Definitely blown out of proportion. But that just comes with the uniqueness of the situation, the perception of the Patriots and their history of cheating, and the quality of player involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I understand everyone's take that this was all such a waste of time because we're talking about how much air is in a football. However: 1. There is a rule in place about the appropriate levels of PSI allowed in a football. I'm not entirely sure why there is a rule, but there is a rule, and there should be punishment when someone breaks a rule. This is similar to players smoking pot - is it really that bad or harmful to anyone? Does anyone really care if a player smokes pot? Well there is a rule in place, and players are suspended for breaking that rule. Whether you agree with the rule or not is irrelevant. Look at the new slide rule in baseball. Not everyone (fans, players) likes the rule, but it still has to be followed. 2. A lot of people challenge that changing the amount of air in a ball makes any difference at all. There have been studies performed to calculate distance, accuracy, etc. with different PSI levels. To me, this is all irrelevant. The only relevant thing here is that Brady thought there was enough benefit for himself to have the PSI levels changed inside those footballs. Whether there was actually a benefit or not means nothing. I totally understand that scientifically the difference is marginal. Regardless, the levels were changed outside of determined legal limits. A rule with team penalties (typically a fine). You do know Brady's suspension is not due to the equipment rule right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcheese Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 A rule with team penalties (typically a fine). You do know Brady's suspension is not due to the equipment rule right? I believe his suspension for violating the NFL policy on the integrity of the game is indirectly tied to the equipment rule. Unless you have different information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I believe his suspension for violating the NFL policy on the integrity of the game is indirectly tied to the equipment rule. Unless you have different information. Tons...but nothing that hasn't already been analyzed and argued to death on this forum. So I'm not going to bother. If you want to believe he was rightly suspended because of air in a football, go right ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can we check Goodell's phone for evidence of a conspiracy? Sure just like we got to look at Brady's phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I've said it before and I'll say it again. His legacy is tarnished by losing 2 Super Bowls to Eli and the Giants. When all is said and done and he's in the Hall of Fame, those are the failures I will remember him by and use as comparisons to the likes of Montana as one of the greatest QB's ever. This suspension will just be a forgotten footnote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 I've said it before and I'll say it again. His legacy is tarnished by losing 2 Super Bowls to Eli and the Giants. When all is said and done and he's in the Hall of Fame, those are the failures I will remember him by and use as comparisons to the likes of Montana as one of the greatest QB's ever. This suspension will just be a forgotten footnote. Once was enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Once was enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 at you guys still talking about PSI and crap. This stopped being about the supposed deflation of footballs a LONG time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I am totally bored of this but voted for little effect on his legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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