HeresJohnny Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 By chance, (or because I parroted Matthew Berry's advice), I recommended my brother drop AP in our keeper league when it appeared for all intents and purposes that he may go the way of Ray Rice due to the child abuse issue. A month after I gave that advice, my brother decided it was time and did just that. One week after that fateful day, some hopeful news came out about the future of All Day, and I claimed him from the waiver wire. It took me several months to win my brother's trust back. To this day, we've been trying to work out a trade that puts AP back into the rightful owner's roster. Not a simple task as my brother is a horrible drafter and strategist. I feel like there might be a chance of getting it done this year, but I want to get it right. As of now, I have rights to AP in the 9th round. Ridiculous value. Trade on the table right now is AP for Mike Evans and 3rd pick in the 1st round. We're keeping 3 players this year, 10 team league, so roughly the top 20-25 ADP guys are gone. I'm keeping Julio with the 10th pick of the 1st round and Allen Robinson in the 11th. This trade would give me the 3rd overall and I'd be keeping Mike Evans in the 2nd round. Best available will be someone like David Johnson, Devonta Freeman, Mark Ingram, Ezekiel Elliott, or Thomas Rawls. There is another offer on the table. AJ Green and a 2nd round pick, for AP and the 9th round pick... for 3 years. Essentially allows me to keep AJ Green in the 9th round for 3 years. But the trade does not return AP to his rightful owner. Do I make the first deal as is, restructure it a bit, or just take the second deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTomWeTrust Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 lol dude hes your brother just make it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air It Out Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Yeah, I don't think there's much of a question here. Make it right with your bro, even if there's a better offer on the table. Your brother will NEVER trust you if you don't (and that would be very not good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkraft896 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I hate to be that guy, but this sounds borderline collusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresJohnny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 I hate to be that guy, but this sounds borderline collusive. This mentality is why I don't allow league vote trade vetoes. Collusion involves tanking and stacking. This is a trade, where we're both giving and getting in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresJohnny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 lol dude hes your brother just make it right Couldnt agree more.. What would you change in the Mike Evans trade to make it fair? As it is, it is lopsided against me. My brother and I agree to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresJohnny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 Yeah, I don't think there's much of a question here. Make it right with your bro, even if there's a better offer on the table. Your brother will NEVER trust you if you don't (and that would be very not good). Couldnt agree more.. What would you change in the Mike Evans trade to make it fair? As it is, it is lopsided against me. My brother and I agree to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkraft896 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 This mentality is why I don't allow league vote trade vetoes. Collusion involves tanking and stacking. This is a trade, where we're both giving and getting in return. Let me ask you a question. If you weren't making the trade with your brother, would you really be trading a 9th round keeper AP for Mike Evans in the 2nd and the 3rd overall pick with 25 players already gone? If your answer is no (which it should be because that is a horrible trade for you) than its collusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresJohnny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 Let me ask you a question. If you weren't making the trade with your brother, would you really be trading a 9th round keeper AP for Mike Evans in the 2nd and the 3rd overall pick with 25 players already gone? If your answer is no (which it should be because that is a horrible trade for you) than its collusive. You're missing the point. I absolutely would do the AJ trade... I'm asking how to make the Mike Evans trade just as good. As it is, I would not do the Evans trade, because it isn't a fair trade for me. Even still... it is not "collusive." It's not secret, it's not going to provide an illegal advantage to either team, it's purpose is not to deceive. Fantasy owners wave that word around... http://hedgeconnection.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/static1.squarespace.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkraft896 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 You're missing the point. I absolutely would do the AJ trade... I'm asking how to make the Mike Evans trade just as good. As it is, I would not do the Evans trade, because it isn't a fair trade for me. Even still... it is not "collusive." It's not secret, it's not going to provide an illegal advantage to either team, it's purpose is not to deceive. Fantasy owners wave that word around... http://hedgeconnection.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/static1.squarespace.gif If you seek to change the trade to make it more fair then I agree it's not collusive. I am not saying you shouldn't be allowed to trade with your brother, but you shouldn't give him a family discount either.. If you just make that terrible Mike Evans trade for the sake of getting AP back on your brother's team its absolutely collusive because you would be giving someone an advantage simply because they are your brother and they used to own the guy but foolishly dropped him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresJohnny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 If you seek to change the trade to make it more fair then I agree it's not collusive. I am not saying you shouldn't be allowed to trade with your brother, but you shouldn't give him a family discount either.. If you just make that terrible Mike Evans trade for the sake of getting AP back on your brother's team its absolutely collusive because you would be giving someone an advantage simply because they are your brother and they used to own the guy but foolishly dropped him. Any suggestions? He's open to adjustments. Maybe an eroding pick swap? A 1st round pick this year, a 2nd next year, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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