nrbroadhurst Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) I've had the following trades vetoed by the league this year: A: Melvin Gordon/Gio Bernard (before he was out touching Hill) FOR Lamar Miller/Doug Martin (injured, no timetable) B: Frank Gore/Devante Adamas FOR Le'Veon Bell (Guy had two glaring holes in his RB2 and WR2 slot). Is it fair for them to veto my trades if no collusion was found and both teams were trying to improve based on their own perceived value of the players? We are all playing under the same conditions, with the same people, yet I manage negotiate better trades than other owners and get punished. This league is starting to feel a little like socialist fantasy football where everyone gets a trophy and everything is exactly fair. Giving league owners the power to anonymously veto can be grossly abused in my opinion. Thoughts on the matter, it's really pissing me off? Edited October 26, 2016 by nrbroadhurst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I don't play in leagues where a vote determines what I can do with my team. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I've had the following trades vetoed by the league this year: A: Melvin Gordon/Gio Bernard (before he was out touching Hill) FOR Lamar Miller/Doug Martin (injured, no timetable) B: Frank Gore/Devante Adamas FOR Le'Veon Bell (Guy had two glaring holes in his RB2 and WR2 slot). Is it fair for them to veto my trades if no collusion was found and both teams were trying to improve based on their own perceived value of the players? We are all playing under the same conditions, with the same people, yet I manage negotiate better trades than other owners and get punished. This league is starting to feel a little like socialist fantasy football where everyone gets a trophy and everything is exactly fair. Giving league owners the power to anonymously veto can be grossly abused in my opinion. Thoughts on the matter, it's really pissing me off? You agreed to play in a veto league, now you will have to suffer the consequences of that choice. Fair is inconsequential at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrbroadhurst Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 Looks like I need to find a new league, these league managers vote subjectively in their own interest. I never thought people would grid lock the system like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inziladun Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 First year my friends and I did a league it was set up like this and exactly 0 trades happened through the year. We've never again gone back to it and trades are plentiful, but to be fair that second trade was pretty atrocious for the other team, i'd veto that manure too, lol. But that's why I don't play in leagues with trade vetoing because it's so easy to look at a trade, judge it, and want to veto it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I don't play in leagues where a vote determines what I can do with my team. And if you did you probably wouldn't be asking if it is fair that owners are being douchebags and vetoing trades out of spite or without good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrbroadhurst Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 This has been said many times already Steve, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XFlash Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 we have vetoes, but it is not a button. Owners have to email the commish, plus it has to be a majority (no owners involved in the trade allowed). We have some pretty sensible owners so no problems. Next year the rules will need to be re-addressed to fit your league dynamic. If a bunch of wimps are abusing the system because they can, then it needs to be taken out of their hands. Or you can find another league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Nah those vetos aren't fair. None of those trades are on the "ridiculous" spectrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 None of those trades are on the "ridiculous" spectrum.Gore and Adams for Bell is close 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippsnbolts Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I got away with the steal of the year in my league. So it's a 2 QB 2 flex 10 person PPR league. It was the week after Big Ben got hurt. I noticed that this owner had Big Ben and Mariota and no QB's on their bench. I immediately saw that Landry Jones and Geno Smith were the only projected starters available so I picked them up and packaged them with Travis Kelce for Gronkowski. I knew he would have to accept or take a zero for his QB2. It actually worked. I thought he would at least counter but he didn't. So I am already pretty stacked at WR(AJ, Cobb, Michael Thomas, Fuller, and both Benjamins), have a solid QB rotation(Carr, Matt Ryan, and Tannehill) and I'm playing the waiver wire for RB's because mine suck except for Jacquizz Rogers and hopefully Hyde. So the commissioner was talking with 2 other league owners that that that was unfair so they tried to get my trade voted off. Fortunately they were the only 3 that voted, but they are also have middle-of-the-pack teams while mine skyrocketed to one of the favorites to win so they were butt hurt about it too. Before the trade was finalized, my commissioner kept going on about how it's a lopsided trade, the guy was 1-5 so he probably waived the white flag, how I set it up was devious, etc. But I didn't do anything illegal and I wasn't colluding. I didn't even know my trade partner personally. I put $50 in this league so I'm going to do what I can within the rules to win the game. On a side not, Geno Smith getting hurt had to be painful for my trade partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsul Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I disagree about #B Gore and Adams for L Bell is pretty one side to me. Please let me know if any of you would trade bell for those two players, I would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I wouldn't but that doesn't mean it should be vetoed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JONESin for a GRAHAM Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I had a trade vetoed last week of me sending Nelson and Baldwin for AB. I thought it was fair, plus the guy I was trading to has eveyone on BYE this week. Pretty bitter about it, debating about finding a new league, but they are work buddies, and been with em 3 years. Gonna talk to commish about getting rid of veto rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I disagree about #B Gore and Adams for L Bell is pretty one side to me. Please let me know if any of you would trade bell for those two players, I would not.I wouldn't either. But it's my team and I should decide, not my leaguemates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XFlash Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I wouldn't either. But it's my team and I should decide, not my leaguemates + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Veto voting is retarded. People tend to veto any trade where they feel some team will get an advantage on their own team. Veto voting is never fair and unbiased. I will NEVER play in any league where there is veto voting. Can't understand why anyone would. Vetoes should be solely in the hands of a reliable and trustworthy commish. If one can't say that about one's commish, then why the fk would one even playing in that league in the first place? I control vetoing trades in the 4 leagues I commish. 13 years running now and never an issue. For trades involving my own teams in my 12-team leagues, I allow a vote which requires 6 out of the remaining 10 teams to veto. In 13 years, across 4 leagues I commish, I have never had one of my trades voted to be vetoed and you can count the number of times I have vetoed a trade in these 4 leagues on Jason Pierre-Paul's remaining fingers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsul Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 On the flip side you cant have a 1-6 team trading its best player, for a couple of average waiver wire guys. I do not see how that is fair to the rest of the league. There has to be some oversite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 On the flip side you cant have a 1-6 team trading its best player, for a couple of average waiver wire guys. I do not see how that is fair to the rest of the league. There has to be some oversite. Agreed. And that authority would be called a fair Commish. Veto voting is for idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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