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Second Round Adps vs Results from the Last 12 Years


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Below in the left column in descending order are the fantasy points scored the 57 times running backs have had a second round adp rank in the last 12 years.  The right column in descending order are the fantasy points scored the 63 times wide receivers have had a second round adp rank in the last 12 years.  Points system used is ppr, .1 per yard rushing or receiving, 4 points passing td, .05 points per yard passing, -2 for fumbles, -2 for interceptions

 

 rb      wr 

370   381

359   331

351   327

347   320

337   319

330   316

289   311

284   309

          307

278   305

278   304

273   304

272   301

269   299

262   297

250   297

241   295

          293

240   292

239   289

239   287

231   287

229   284

228   283

228   280

223   277

          273

220   271

214   269

207   269

193   268

191   266

188   266

186   262

184   261

183   260

          254

179   241

179   235

178   234

174   233

170   233

164   232

161   229

154   224

          215

148   211

146   210

140   209

139   207

127   203

123   203

104   198

82     198

          180

80      174

76      164

74      159

59      155

57      153

42      109

13      50

4        12

 

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Below in the left column in descending order are the fantasy points scored the 14 times running backs have had a second round adp rank in the last 3 years.  The right column in descending order are the fantasy points scored the 18 times wide receivers have had a second round adp rank in the last 3 years.

 rb      wr 

370   381

351   331

284   327

          304

273   304

231   297

214   293

          273

191   261

188   254

          232

184   224

178   211

170   210

         203

80    180

42    155

13    12

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17 minutes ago, Big Country said:

And what is it that this data is supposed to be telling us?

 

It's data.  Draw your own conclusions.  Personally, I would conclude that running backs have a higher ceiling but that wide receivers have done far better overall.

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18 hours ago, michaelredd9 said:

 

It's data.  Draw your own conclusions.  Personally, I would conclude that running backs have a higher ceiling but that wide receivers have done far better overall.

The numbers show WR has higher floor and ceiling. I'm confused by your conclusions. 

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19 hours ago, michaelredd9 said:

 

It's data.  Draw your own conclusions.  Personally, I would conclude that running backs have a higher ceiling but that wide receivers have done far better overall.

 

My question is more of what are or were you trying to tell us with this data? The data dump of what they scored is pretty meaningless with nothing to compare it to - how does that 370 points for the highest score of an RB with a 2nd round ADP compare to other RBs that season - was that a 2nd round performance, a 1st round performance, a 5th round performance? Same with the WRs?  Raw scores tell us very little with no comparison vs. same season performance and also are not very useful when comparing across positions with different positional requirements.

 

How can you draw the conclusion that RBs have a higher ceiling but WRs have done better overall? WR2 thru WR12 have a delta of 30 points, whereas you can only get to RB6 with that same 30 point delta - makes it seem like getting the RB that does well there holds a lot more positional value than one of those WRs. Then again, these numbers are across 12 seasons so it may well be that there was only one WR each season that performed at that level, or it could be that 6 of the WRs in that scoring range did that in the same season.

 

SO again I ask, what was the information or conclusion that you were trying to get to by posting the data. Seems pretty pointless to post a data dump lacking enough information to draw any real conclusions or inferences then just reply by saying "It's data, draw your own conclusions".

 

Personally I love looking at stuff like this, but right now there simply is not enough information provided to generate really meaningful discussion, plus ABWF fears potential math even more than he fears providing geographic references.

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6 hours ago, Big Country said:

Personally I love looking at stuff like this, but right now there simply is not enough information provided to generate really meaningful discussion, plus ABWF fears potential math even more than he fears providing geographic references.

 

True...

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20 hours ago, Big Country said:

 

SO again I ask

 

 

Simmer down.  No need to yell.

 

20 hours ago, Big Country said:

 

My question is more of what are or were you trying to tell us with this data? The data dump of what they scored is pretty meaningless with nothing to compare it to - how does that 370 points for the highest score of an RB with a 2nd round ADP compare to other RBs that season - was that a 2nd round performance, a 1st round performance, a 5th round performance?

 

 

370 points is an objective score that holds it's value year to year.  I don't need to compare it to how the 4 running backs picked in the 5th round did in a specific year to understand it's value.  Even if all 4 running backs drafted in the 5th round did amazingly and all scored more than 370, the player drafted in the second round who scored 370 still had a great year.  You're missing the forest for the trees to focus on how things played out in a specific year.  I also think you're trying to sound intelligent but failing.  Mostly you just come off as sounding doushy.

 

20 hours ago, Big Country said:

 

 Raw scores tell us very little with no comparison vs. same season performance and also are not very useful when comparing across positions with different positional requirements.

 

 

Since most leagues have one or two flex, running backs and wide receivers are essentially one pool of players.  But even in leagues where there are no flex spots, I think it's useful to know whether running backs or wide receivers have historically done better who were drafted in a given round.  It certainly doesn't answer all questions.  It is just one piece of the puzzle.  If you don't find what I presented to be useful, feel free to compile the stats the way you find useful and present it to us.  I'm all ears.

 

 

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