Meat Face Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Who will it be? Orton is clearly the leader. Wisconsin game is probably a minor setback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Biased opinion but, you can probably guess who I voted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Grodin Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Biased opinion but, you can probably guess who I voted for. 490427[/snapback] If Peterson does not have a bad ( see mcgahee, willis) injury then he will win the heisman trophy by the time that he leaves OU. With the offense that stoops runs, this kid should really shine at OU. But this isnt Peterson's year. Gotta go with Orton here, if it wasnt for Orton - Purdue wouldnt be where they are right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 (edited) If Peterson does not have a bad ( see mcgahee, willis) injury then he will win the heisman trophy by the time that he leaves OU. With the offense that stoops runs, this kid should really shine at OU. But this isnt Peterson's year. Gotta go with Orton here, if it wasnt for Orton - Purdue wouldnt be where they are right now. 492017[/snapback] Im sick of posts like this. Why should Peterson have to wait is he is the best candidate. Why has a freshman or soph never won the award. Orton single handedly lost the Purdue game to Wisconsin. he threw a pick, and fumbled the ball resulting in a Wisconsin TD. The TD that gave Wisconsin the win. The game was wrapped up, and he choked. How can this be ignored. He has been avg since he started playing decent competition. I simply think he doesnt deserve it, and Peterson does. Obviously if Peterson fumbles away a game, then the 2 are again even. But right now Orton cost his team a victory at home, during homecoming. That can't be over-looked. In fact I think Leinhart should be ahead of Orton now. Orton should finish no better than 3rd behind those 2 if both teams go undefeated. Orton choked away the rosebowl. Wisconsin wont lose a Lil 10 game now. Edited October 18, 2004 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilerduff Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I'd REALLY like to say that sarge is wrong, but I just think Orton fumbled away the Heisman. IF we go undefeated for the rest of the season, and IF we lay a smakdown on michigan, maybe, there could be an argument for him. All I know is that I am crushed by this weekends loss which we had won.... and it is killing me. Close but no cigar. As for the freshmen, they won't ever win the Heisman. It's wrong in my opinion, but I just think they won't do it. Its more of a team / career trophy, then just pure talent. It will always go to juniors and seniors. Go Boilers. Shake it off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I voted Orton, because that is who I think will win it. I think Cedric Benson should win it. Peterson is good, and may end up being better than Benson in a year or two, but right now, Cedric Benson is clearly the best RB in college football. A comparison of Benson and Peterson tells all. Benson 149 Carries 988 yds 9TD's 6.6 yds per carry. He also has 9 reception for 91 yards and a TD. Peterson 155 carries 901 yds 6TD's 5.8 yds per carry. He has 2 receptions for 5 yds. Peterson may very well end up being a better back than Benson, but not this year. Benson almost has a yard per carry over Peterson, and Peterson has yet to show he can catch the ball out of the backfield. At this point Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles do should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Benson and Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 After this week, I think Orton fumbled himself out of the top 3. Him losing the game winning fumble will haunt him all year. Although, Peterson's 1st half performance against KSU did not put him in the "driver's seat", his 2nd half performance along with Orton's fumble sure did help his chances out considerably. Right now, my top 5 would be: 1. RB Adrian Peterson (Oklahoma) 2. QB Aaron Rogers (Cal): 4 TDs without his #1 WR 3. QB Matt Leinart (USC): 5 TDs sure help is sporadic performance the past few weeks 4. QB Kyle Orton (Purdue) 5. QB Jason White (Oklahoma): White finally played like our Heisman winner last year. Even though I have them all numbered, #1, #2, and #3 are all pretty much #1s at this point IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Urlacher, your obviously just another homer. You can forget about White or Peterson. White will not win regardless of how well he plays, due to his performance in the Big 12 championship and the NC. Peterson isn't the best back in the Big 12 this year, hell right now he's not even the second best back in the Big 12. I will agree Peterson is a Stud with a capital S, but this year Benson is better, and has the numbers to prove it. The kid from OSU is as good or better than Peterson this year. If Peterson isn't hurt, and stays two more years he'll get it, but no way he gets it over Benson, if a RB is chosen. I think it is moot point, because they will choose a QB, and it will not be White for the reasons I stated above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 (edited) Urlacher, your obviously just another homer. You can forget about White or Peterson. White will not win regardless of how well he plays, due to his performance in the Big 12 championship and the NC. Peterson isn't the best back in the Big 12 this year, hell right now he's not even the second best back in the Big 12. I will agree Peterson is a Stud with a capital S, but this year Benson is better, and has the numbers to prove it. The kid from OSU is as good or better than Peterson this year. If Peterson isn't hurt, and stays two more years he'll get it, but no way he gets it over Benson, if a RB is chosen. I think it is moot point, because they will choose a QB, and it will not be White for the reasons I stated above. 493556[/snapback] It may be a complete homer vote but, what makes Orton better than White at this point? Both of them have bad Karma going against them. White has last year's performance in both Championship Games hanging over his head. Howver, (unlike Orton) White hasn't fumbled away a loss this year. You can't honestly tell me that Orton has a chance at the Heisman after that. Especially after your reasoning as to why you don't think White will win it. Edited October 18, 2004 by URLACHERisGOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Not everyone saw what Orton did. Everyone saw White struggle last year. Also, how many times has the Hiesman been won twice by the same person. The odds are just stacked against White. I notice you didn't even respond regarding Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickL Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Jason Campbell....The guy is making people forget about Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown and remember why he was such a phenom coming out of high school. What a season he's having! I'm biased, i don't care! This is my opinion! He took AU down the field to beat LSU in the closing moments of that game and he has absolutely torched Tennessee and Arkansas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Lets get real here. The Red-River shootout ended the discussion once and for all who is the better Back in the Big 12. Benson in 4 yrs doesnt even add up to what Peterson did in 1 in this rivalry. Also Texas run defense is ranked higher than OUs and UT is a run run run team, while OU is much more balanced. Benson clearly can not get it done in the big games just like Mack Brown. 493601[/snapback] That is part of why I think Benson is better. Peterson has a better team around him. OU's offense is more balanced, which kept Texas from keying solely on Peterson. All OU had to do was key on Benson, and Benson still had 92 yards. I have agreed that Peterson is a stud, and probably will be better than Benson in a few years, but this year Benson is better. His numbers proove that. I'm sorry your OU blinders don't allow you to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Not everyone saw what Orton did. Everyone saw White struggle last year. Also, how many times has the Hiesman been won twice by the same person. The odds are just stacked against White. I notice you didn't even respond regarding Peterson. 493588[/snapback] Look at my sigline. It's pretty self-explainatory. There are 2 things that separate Peterson from the rest of the pack: 1. Oklahoma is undefeated 2. Peterson has not rushed for under 100 yards in a game. Morency is the only other of the top 4 that can claim this, as well. You claim that not everyone saw the Orton fumble but, I can guarantee you everybody saw Peterson run all over Texas. Not to mention, watched Oklahoma keep Benson under 100 yards and 0 TDs. When do you think all of the Peterson hype outside of us OU homers came into play? That game in itself showcased the top 2 RBs in the country and Peterson clearly outperformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 If this is based on where you team would be without him, you have a whole new can of worms on yoru hands. Where would USC be without Reggie Bush, probably 3 loses already. Id say he is the biggest weapon thus far for a team that needed him to beat Cal, Stanford and Va Tech. 493647[/snapback] Holy #$%@#$ - I totally agree with Ryan here. If you throw out the rest of the gaudy yardage stats that Benson, Peterson, Orton and Leinart will likely put over the whole year, and just look at TDs/per touch instead, no one touches the Super Sophomore Bush. And I don't usually agree with the College GameDay blockheads either, but they said the same thing - the voters will be blinded by overall yardage stats and forget how dangerous Bush is. No one in NCAAF can change a game faster than Bush every time he touches the ball, and the fact that he does it from the RB, WR and PR/KR positions makes it that much more special. Hell, he even PASSED for one on Saturday. That is one more headache for opposing D coordinators: "OK, we need all 11 guys to collapse on Bush whenever he gets the ball in the flat ASAP. Uh, WAIT - except for 2-3 of you CB/Safeties - make sure your guy isn't open downfield!" And one more scary thought - Chow took an expensive trip to STL just to learn from the Rams how they use Faulk. I'm sure Carroll is demanding quite a nice return on investment. So does anyone believe he's already shown us the entire Bush playbook for the year yet? (Hint: see the Williams reverse pass back to Leinart in the Rose Bowl for a TD.) Not on your life.... With the very efficient Leinart in charge of getting it to him, I would not want to be one of those opposing DCs on any given week. Sleep tight boys, sleep tight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Holy #$%@#$ - I totally agree with Ryan here. 493713[/snapback] This shall go down as a day in infamy. This is about as big of a shock as when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor or when JFK got shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I may as well post it here, too! Adrian Peterson is currently ranked #1 in the Heisman Race. Not by us "homers" but, by ESPN's Experts Poll. Read it and weep you haters! Maybe a freshman can win the Heisman Trophy. Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson is now the leader in ESPN.com's Heisman Poll, followed by USC's Matt Leinart and Cal's Aaron Rodgers.The ESPN.com Heisman Poll samples ESPN college football experts to provide the definitive look at the race for the Heisman Trophy. Pos. School Year 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th TotalAdrian Peterson RB Oklahoma Fr. 6 2 0 2 0 42Matt Leinart QB USC Jr. 3 1 5 0 1 35Aaron Rodgers QB Cal Jr. 1 3 2 1 2 27Kyle Orton QB Purdue Sr. 0 1 1 6 2 21Reggie Bush RB USC So. 1 2 2 0 0 19Jason Campbell QB Auburn Sr. 0 1 1 0 0 7Alex Smith QB Utah Jr. 0 0 0 2 3 7Jason White QB Oklahoma Sr. 0 1 0 0 0 4Cedric Benson RB Texas Sr. 0 0 0 0 2 2Antrel Rolle DB Miami Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1 494768[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Yep, that sounds right. Like I said, AP and Leinart put up the big numbers that the voters like, while Bush splits carries with a very capable LenDale White, especially at the goal line with only 1-2 yds to go. But...if I was an NFL coach right now looking at a draft pick, and Bush and AP were both eligible, I'd take the next Marshall Faulk (Bush!) first over the next Ricky Williams (AP) for sure.... And I'm NOT saying AP is a head case - just the opposite! I'm saying he might get the NCAA rushing record, because he's *** good. But I think Bush will score more TD's (divided by games played, if he comes out early) in both the NCAA and in the NFL than Benson and AP. And in the end, that counts more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Hard for me to remember what ED looked like toting the rock way back when, but he was a great one and I'll take your word for it. Again, I'm just saying AP will probably get the NCAA record, and that is all. Whomever you say he looks like, thats fine. And I'll say that both AP and LenDale White run better (right now) between the tackles than Bush, and therefore those guys get the short goaline carries. If Bush works on that and can take the punishment, he'll be more like MarshallF than Westbrook, and will go ahead of AP in the draft, were they to somehow be in the same class coming out. This is all supposition, it doesn't really matter much right now. If I had to put money on who WILL win, vs. who I like, I'd bet more on Leinart 1st, (as a Jr.) and AP 2nd, (as a Freshman) than Bush. Leinart and Bush steal votes from each other anyway, and even Orton could steal it, since USC got one in the year before with Palmer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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