Akfatha Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 someone wanna tell me why adrian peterson for heisman? hell put their 2nd and 3rd string rb's in that same backfield and they'd still be 6-0. big 12 has 2 rushers who have better #'s than AP in yards/ypc/tds. ced benson from UT and vernond morency from OSU. so why is AP considered so godly and these guys get 0 pub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickL Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 agreed 100 percent. he's a good player, but he aint all that.......yet. maybe he will be oneday. he runs too straight up for me. OU hasn't beaten anyone. texas sucks, arkansas almost beat them for crying out loud. they've got all sorts of problems with vince simms getting all the snaps and major mockpplewhite sitting on the pine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat1 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Simple answer, Oklahoma is undefeated and in the running for a NC. You take the biggest playmaker off of this team and he's their Heisman canidate. Same thing with Leinart and Reggie Bush. They're not the best at their positions, but they're on team that should play for the title. IMHO I think Braylon Edwards, Orton, or AP win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 someone wanna tell me why adrian peterson for heisman? hell put their 2nd and 3rd string rb's in that same backfield and they'd still be 6-0. big 12 has 2 rushers who have better #'s than AP in yards/ypc/tds. ced benson from UT and vernond morency from OSU. so why is AP considered so godly and these guys get 0 pub? 494582[/snapback] To give you Cornhuskers yet another thing to whine about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 (edited) Adrian Peterson is currently ranked #1 in the Heisman Race. Not by us "homers" but, by ESPN's Experts Poll. Read it and weep you haters! Maybe a freshman can win the Heisman Trophy. Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson is now the leader in ESPN.com's Heisman Poll, followed by USC's Matt Leinart and Cal's Aaron Rodgers.The ESPN.com Heisman Poll samples ESPN college football experts to provide the definitive look at the race for the Heisman Trophy. Pos. School Year 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th TotalAdrian Peterson RB Oklahoma Fr. 6 2 0 2 0 42Matt Leinart QB USC Jr. 3 1 5 0 1 35Aaron Rodgers QB Cal Jr. 1 3 2 1 2 27Kyle Orton QB Purdue Sr. 0 1 1 6 2 21Reggie Bush RB USC So. 1 2 2 0 0 19Jason Campbell QB Auburn Sr. 0 1 1 0 0 7Alex Smith QB Utah Jr. 0 0 0 2 3 7Jason White QB Oklahoma Sr. 0 1 0 0 0 4Cedric Benson RB Texas Sr. 0 0 0 0 2 2Antrel Rolle DB Miami Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1 Edited October 19, 2004 by URLACHERisGOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiL10(s)ArEaJoKe Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 As if Texas Tech didnt give you 70 already. 494758[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiL10(s)ArEaJoKe Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 agreed 100 percent. he's a good player, but he aint all that.......yet. maybe he will be oneday. he runs too straight up for me. OU hasn't beaten anyone. texas sucks, arkansas almost beat them for crying out loud. they've got all sorts of problems with vince simms getting all the snaps and major mockpplewhite sitting on the pine. 494585[/snapback] Runs too straight up??????? Well all I know is that ESPN analists have said move over Labron, and compared him to the likes of Eric Dickerson, who wasn't a slouch at RB in college or the pros!!! But if you tend to think so, that running to straight up is a bad thing, well then just keep thinking that. And watch history happen, just like the sox in game 7 over the yankees, as the first true freshman wins the heisman!!!!!!!! Oh and lets not forget that he is from gods country!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 They are both great backs, but if all 3 were eligible for the draft right now, Peterson would go ahead of all of them.494664[/snapback] You are clearly blinded by your crimson glasses. No way AP would be drafted before Benson this year. That statement is just insane. Peterson may be a great one, but he is not as good as Benson this year, and the numbers that you are so unwilling to acknowledge prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 You are clearly blinded by your crimson glasses. No way AP would be drafted before Benson this year. That statement is just insane. Peterson may be a great one, but he is not as good as Benson this year, and the numbers that you are so unwilling to acknowledge prove it. 504948[/snapback] You want to play the numbers game? Why does Sarge not "acknowledge" the numbers when he refers to Adrian going above everybody else in the draft? I don't know about Sarge but, I'll use an empirical example as to why the numbers (which are so close anyways) don't matter to the NFL. Let me bring you back to 1999. That's only 4 1/2 years ago so, you shouldn't get lost too easily. Ron Dayne not only break the Big 10 rushing yards, rushing attempts, rushing touchdowns, total touchdowns, and touchdown points records but, he also broke the All-Time rushing record set by Ricky Williams the year before. In anybody's eyes, pretty darn good numbers. Jump ahead to today (if you will) and let's play the how have they done since entering the NFL and how are they doing today game. Let's take a look at the other running backs that were in the top 10 for the Heisman which Ron Dayne beat out to win the Heisman: Shawn Alexander (Alabama) and Thomas Jones (Virginia). I would venture to say that the 2 running backs (Alexander and Jones) that didn't have such impressive numbers have made far better NFL running backs out of themselves then Ron Dayne could ever dream of becomming. Adrian Peterson has been compared to (and not just by OU homers) to the likes of Eric Dikerson. Peterson's skills are being overshadowed by the simple fact that he is a freshmen. Neither the NCAA nor the NFL has seen the skills and attributes that Peterson possesses in quite some time. Either you have "it" or you don't. Not only does Peterson have "it" but, he comes with a second and third helping of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Most of the voters are a bunch of old farts, still believing in the old rules that true freshman should not even start a college game, much less be the feature QB/RB/WR/whatever. It's also still somewhat of a career award, not just one great year award - although I'll admit CPalmer winning it debunked that a bit. It shows some advancement that AP & Bush (and even MWilliams last year) are being given some consideration, but I doubt they'll win. Great coaches like Stoops, Saban and Carroll are slowly changing the mindset by playing the BEST PLAYER at each positon, regardless of age/grade, and obviously having great success. The more that happens, the better chance one of the youngsters will have of winning it someday.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 Whether he wins it or not it's fun to watch him play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 The "upright running style criticism" huh? As noted, Eric Dickerson is the quintesential example of a guy who ran upright, and he did it pretty well(As opposed to his horrible sideline reporting for MNF). The Titans running back, Chris Brown, also runs upright and has faired well this year. I think the reason people dont like an upright runner is that they supposedly dont have the body lean that will get them the tough yards inside. And there is definitely some merit to that. You want a guy who doesnt get stood up, and always falls forward. However, some guys like Dickerson, Brown, and AP, somehow seem to run well inside even with their unorthodox gait. Whether its because they are quick enough, slippery enough, or just slasher types that keeps them from taking alot of solid direct hits, allow them overcome their lack of body lean, I dont know. But their respective styles do not prevent them from running inside or breaking big plays once they squeeze through the hole. I agree that AP has HUGH potential at the next level and would probably go ahead of the other 2 guys. Oklahomo fans need to thank God that Maurice Clarett lost his case or else I believe AP would leave after his sophomore year. The only problem that I have is that ass clown Bob Stoops takes AP out of the game alot and runs the other guy. It doesnt make sense, because AP is clearly better and should never come out of the game unless he is injured or the game is a blow out. This guy is an absolute MONSTER who will only get better.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 Oklahoma fans need to thank God that Maurice Clarett lost his case or else I believe AP would leave after his sophomore year. 506463[/snapback] You had better believe it. However, I'll bet that guys like Ricky Williams and Ron Dayne are wishing that AP would leave now. Barring injury, if AP keeps running like he has been, their records don't stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 AP is being compared to Eric Dickerson. By who? his momma? and you? Surely not anyone who knows ANYTHING about football for gods sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 Watch a Sooner game, they have said it in 3 straight Sooner games. 506919[/snapback] I have watched the last two....haven't heard anything like that. He got alot of mop up yards last week, looked very poor in the first half last week and this week, a 2.4 yards per carry this week doesn't bode well for a heisman candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 (edited) I don't see AP even being close to a Heisman winner, I think there are better Freshman RB's in the country right now. Mike Hart of Michigan has about the same stat line and plays against much tougher defenses , and Danny Ware of Georgia. Both of these backs play better schedules with tougher D's being faced week in, week out. Ware will prove to be the best back of the group when the NFL chimes in on the subject. Hart stats.....1091 total yards 5 tds (15 recs for 133 yards) Peterson ......1028 total yards 7 tds (2 recs for 5 yards) Hart only had 8 carries his first two games this year for Michigan for 37 yards or his stats would dust Petersons. Looks to be a more versatile back as well. If Hart was playing for OU he would have had 1000 yards two games ago against those weak D's he would have been facing. Just the FACTS baby Edited October 23, 2004 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 I don't see AP even being close to a Heisman winner, I think there are better Freshman RB's in the country right now. Mike Hart of Michigan has about the same stat line and plays against much tougher defenses , and Danny Ware of Georgia. Both of these backs play better schedules with tougher D's being faced week in, week out. Ware will prove to be the best back of the group when the NFL chimes in on the subject. Hart stats.....1091 total yards 5 tds (15 recs for 133 yards) Peterson ......1028 total yards 7 tds (2 recs for 5 yards) Hart only had 8 carries his first two games this year for Michigan for 37 yards or his stats would dust Petersons. Looks to be a more versatile back as well. If Hart was playing for OU he would have had 1000 yards two games ago against those weak D's he would have been facing. Just the FACTS baby 507325[/snapback] Do we add Michigan to the list of teams OSWho roots for now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 I have watched the last two....haven't heard anything like that. He got alot of mop up yards last week, looked very poor in the first half last week and this week, a 2.4 yards per carry this week doesn't bode well for a heisman candidate. 506952[/snapback] Watching your morning episode of Sesame Street when the show is brought to you by the letters "O" and "U" does not constitue watching an OU game. For the past three games now, they have shown the side by side of Dickerson and Peterson comparing the two. It is becoming more and more obvious that you are simply frustrated with the pathetic play of the Luckeyes and the only out you have is to try and get under Sarge and The Boys' skin. It's time to throw in the towel. You've simply got nothing on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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