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That was LSU,  not Auburn

 

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Holy S@##$%*t - sorry, you're right. I was thinking how last year was their first in about 50 years, and apparently all those SEC teams look the same to me. I don't think Auburn has any then! :D

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In the SEC and Big 12, you better be perfect vs your division, south or north or you wont get into the Championship game. Look at Texas, they are the #6 team in the Country and have only 1 loss to #2 OU, but they play in the South and wont sniff the Big 12 Championship game, but a team with a terrible record in the Big 12 north will get a shot at the Sooners who may not even be bowl eligible.

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Sarge, I was about to correct you but apparently you contradicted yourself in the very next sentence. Do you have to be perfect vs your division, or not?

 

Big 12 North Standings:

Iowa State 3-3 (2-1 division, still plays KSU & Missouri)

Nebraska 3-3 (2-2 division, still plays Colorado)

Colorado 2-4 (2-1 division, still plays Nebraska & KSU)

Missouri 2-4 (1-2 division, still plays Kansas & Iowa State

Kansas State 2-4 (2-1, still plays Iowa State & Colorado

Kansas 1-5 (1-3, still plays Missouri)

 

Obviously none of thest teams are perfect in their division (north). In fact, there's a decent chance the north champion will be 3-2 in division.

 

While a championship game would resolve the occasional but rare question when two teams are undefeated in-conference, the Big Ten has some tradition, mainly the OSU-Michigan game, which would suffer.

 

Would we put OSU & Michigan in separate divisions, so that some years they don't play?

 

Would we put them in the same division, and most years the championship game would not be between the two best teams (face it, historically these 2 teams are stronger than the rest of the league)?

 

This game, at the end of the season, with a bowl-berth usually on the line for 1 or both teams, is the Big Ten's de-facto championship game.

 

In summary, your argument that there is no championship game (in other words, they don't play each other enough) is ridiculous if you are trying to compare the teams to other teams in other conferences. How could another game against another Big Ten team make any difference?

 

The way to compare Big Ten teams to other conference teams is bowl records, of which it has clearly been posted that Big Ten teams have fared well lately.

 

ESPECIALLY against Big Twelve teams.

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And I just showed you, why the Big Ten isn't weak. You say the same thing every year sarge. How was the Big Ten weak last year? Or better yet, in 2002? They were weak because Iowa and Ohio State didn't meet. That's not being weak, that's the way the scheduling rotation works in the Big Ten. What does make you weak, is when you send your Division Champion to the Alamo Bowl and they get beat by an 8th place team from another conference. Or when you send your Champion, and they get beat by the 2nd place team from another conference.

 

All your statements about how OU is so good, just make you look ridiculous. Talking about how they can beat an all star team from another conference. Anyone can make absurd comments like that. I watch enough Big 12 games to know, that I don't see much defense.

 

You say Auburn can't beat Oklahoma cuz they have no vertical passing game. We didn't hear much about Oklahoma States vertical passing game until after they lit OU up. Same with Texas A & M. We didn't hear much about A & M after they got trounced by Utah, and Baylor the week before. Where was there vertical passing game? USC can (and most likely will since OU plays such a soft schedule the rest of the way) do what they want vs your soft defense. They haven't shown a vertical passing game this year, it don't matter, cuz they'll find one just like Okie State and A & M did.

 

See, instead of making excuses as to why your team fails to make the grade, why don't you start showing some results. You freakin' Big 12 hicks always talk EVERY year about how the Big Ten is just a bunch of slow fat boys, but every year, you get trounced by them. Why won't it be any different this year? Face it, the only reason Oklahoma is ranked as high as they are, is because they started off high because they get all the press, and because they play in a weak conference. You don't have any non conference wins to back it up, all you have is your little stats that you rack up vs weak teams. Don't worry, Oklahoma State and Texas A & M will get exposed in the Bowls, and you'll be WRONG, again. So start coming up with your excuses of (well we would beat USC 6 out of 10 times on a neutral field) or whatever it is. Sarge, that's all you can do, is come up with excuses. No ownership of anything. Just like K-State last year. Nothing but excuses.

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Texas had to be perfect in the South, they were not and they are #6 in the country and wont even get to play for the Big 12 Championship. Which is my point. Not every case you have to be perfect, but just like GA, they had to be as a win over Auburn still doesnt get them into the SEC title game because Tenn only has 1 loss, tied with GA but since Tenn beat GA they go.

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Sarge, I was about to correct you but apparently you contradicted yourself in the very next sentence.  Do you have to be perfect vs your division, or not?

 

 

 

Would we put OSU & Michigan in separate divisions, so that some years they don't play?

 

Would we put them in the same division, and most years the championship game would not be between the two best teams (face it, historically these 2 teams are stronger than the rest of the league)?

 

This game, at the end of the season, with a bowl-berth usually on the line for 1 or both teams, is the Big Ten's de-facto championship game.

 

In summary, your argument that there is no championship game (in other words, they don't play each other enough) is ridiculous if you are trying to compare the teams to other teams in other conferences.  How could another game against another Big Ten team make any difference?

 

The way to compare Big Ten teams to other conference teams is bowl records, of which it has clearly been posted that Big Ten teams have fared well lately.

 

ESPECIALLY against Big Twelve teams.

 

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Hell yes you put them in the same division just like texas and OU.

 

Texas had to be perfect in the South, they were not and they are #6 in the country and wont even get to play for the Big 12 Championship. Which is my point. Not every case you have to be perfect, but just like GA, they had to be as a win over Auburn still doesnt get them into the SEC title game because Tenn only has 1 loss, and beat GA, so they win the tiebreak.

 

But if for some situation Wisconsin and Michigan are not in the same division, they would meet for the Big 10 Championship game. If they were in the same division both wouldnt be tied. now would they. The point is to prevent having 2 unbeatens and no true champion.

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I would argue, that Texas isn't as good as advertised, and that typically gets proven in the bowls. Same with the rest of the Big 12. It doesn't matter anyway, because no conference gets more BCS teams than another conference. No conference can have more than 2 teams make it. Kansas State earned it last year, cuz they were the Big 12 champions, the best of the Big 12, the cream of the crop in the Big 12. OU beat Texas, so tough luck for Texas. This year, Texas will probably finally get a BCS bid anyway, cuz there isnt any way OU is gonna lose to one of those pitiful North Teams.

 

In 2001, it didn't matter anyway, cuz apparently, if you play in the Big 12, you don't even have to play IN your championship game to get a bid. To me, that sucks worse than 2 undefeated teams coming out of the same conference. Same with the SEC that year, Florida got to go. That was a *** travesty. It still doesn't make a conference weak, or strong. You prove that on the field. Big 12 hasn't proved anything since 1996. All they prove is they get highly ranked every year, and don't live up to the hype, cuz they lose in the biggest games. Until the Big 12 starts winning some bowl games, then fans like Sarge should start to look in the mirror and call there own conference weak.

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And I just showed you, why the Big Ten isn't weak. You say the same thing every year sarge. How was the Big Ten weak last year? Or better yet, in 2002? They were weak because Iowa and Ohio State didn't meet. That's not being weak, that's the way the scheduling rotation works in the Big Ten. What does make you weak, is when you send your Division Champion to the Alamo Bowl and they get beat by an 8th place team from another conference. Or when you send your Champion, and they get beat by the 2nd place team from another conference.

 

All your statements about how OU is so good, just make you look ridiculous. Talking about how they can beat an all star team from another conference. Anyone can make absurd comments like that. I watch enough Big 12 games to know, that I don't see much defense.

 

You say Auburn can't beat Oklahoma cuz they have no vertical passing game. We didn't hear much about Oklahoma States vertical passing game until after they lit OU up. Same with Texas A & M. We didn't hear much about A & M after they got trounced by Utah, and Baylor the week before. Where was there vertical passing game? USC can (and most likely will since OU plays such a soft schedule the rest of the way) do what they want vs your soft defense. They haven't shown a vertical passing game this year, it don't matter, cuz they'll find one just like Okie State and A & M did.

 

See, instead of making excuses as to why your team fails to make the grade, why don't you start showing some results. You freakin' Big 12 hicks always talk EVERY year about how the Big Ten is just a bunch of slow fat boys, but every year, you get trounced by them. Why won't it be any different this year? Face it, the only reason Oklahoma is ranked as high as they are, is because they started off high because they get all the press, and because they play in a  weak conference. You don't have any non conference wins to back it up, all you have is your little stats that you rack up vs weak teams. Don't worry, Oklahoma State and Texas A & M will get exposed in the Bowls, and you'll be WRONG, again. So start coming up with your excuses of (well we would beat USC 6 out of 10 times on a neutral field) or whatever it is. Sarge, that's all you can do, is come up with excuses. No ownership of anything. Just like K-State last year. Nothing but excuses.

 

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Idiot, its not an excuse its a fact. OUs best cover corner has been out 4 weeks and teams have abused the backup CB. He will be back soon and this will be put to bed. OU also just burned the redshirt of a freshman sensation CB Walker who will play in the mean time and he completely shut down A@m the 2nd half when they threw his way. Stoops should have burned it 2 weeks prior when Basey was getting lit up over and over.

 

 

And next time do a lil research before you run your mouth

 

OSU QB had 207 yds and 1 TD vs OU.

 

Ou gave them 14 pts on a muffed punt and a fumble inside their 15 yd line that led to 2 TDS.

 

A@M had a fake punt for a TD and a fake FG for a TD, and R McNeal threw for 213 yds and 2 TD.

 

 

How the f*ck is 213 yds or 207 yds getting burned.

 

 

OU has played as bad as they can play on the road 2 weeks in a row and still came out with Victories and never trailed in the 4th qtr all year long. Not even for 1 second have they been behind in the 4th qtr.

 

The Coaches poll have 5 Big 12 teams ranked in the top 25 right now.

 

http://college.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?poll=2

 

OU #2

 

Texas #7

Texas A@M #23

Okie St #24

Texas Tech #25

 

USC has beaten 3, Va Tech, Cal and Arz St

Auburn has beaten 2 - LSU, Tenn

 

 

And even if Auburn beats GA and then Tenn again in the SEC Champ game, it will have finally matched OUs 4.

 

 

So save your weak schedule BS.

 

There are 5 Big 12 teams in the coaches poll top 25 and 4 in the BCS

There are 4 SEC teams in the coaches poll and BCS

There are 3 Big 10 teams in the coaches poll and BCS

There are 3 Pac 10 teams in the coaches poll and BCS

 

 

So based on what I see the Big 12 is superior to every conference out there. The most BCS teams with 4, and the most teams in the coaches poll with 5.

 

 

You want facts, choke on those facts.

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Idiot, its not an excuse its a fact.  OUs best cover corner has been out 4 weeks and teams have abused the backup CB.  He will be back soon and this will be put to bed.  OU also just burned the redshirt of a freshman sensation CB Walker who will play in the mean time and he completely shut down A@m the 2nd half when they threw his way.  Stoops should have burned it 2 weeks prior when Basey was getting lit up over and over. 

And next time do a lil research before you run your mouth

 

OSU QB had 207 yds and 1 TD vs OU.

 

Ou gave them 14 pts on a muffed punt and a fumble inside their 15 yd line that led to 2 TDS.

 

A@M had a fake punt for a TD and a fake FG for a TD, and R McNeal threw for 213 yds and 2 TD. 

How the f*ck is  213 yds or 207 yds getting burned. 

OU has played as bad as they can play on the road 2 weeks in a row and still came out with Victories and never trailed in the 4th qtr all year long.  Not even for 1 second have they been behind in the 4th qtr.

 

The Coaches poll have 5 Big 12 teams ranked in the top 25 right now.

 

http://college.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings?poll=2

 

OU #2

 

Texas #7

Texas A@M #23

Okie St #24

Texas Tech #25

 

USC has beaten 3, Va Tech, Cal and Arz St

Auburn has beaten 2 - LSU, Tenn

And even if Auburn beats GA and then Tenn again in the SEC Champ game, it will have finally matched OUs 4. 

So save your weak schedule BS.

 

There are 5 Big 12 teams in the coaches poll top 25 and 4 in the BCS

There are 4 SEC teams in the coaches poll and BCS

There are 3 Big 10 teams in the coaches poll and BCS

There are 3 Pac 10 teams in the coaches poll and BCS

So based on what I see the Big 12 is superior to every conference out there.  The most BCS teams with 4, and the most teams in the coaches poll with 5.

You want facts, choke on those facts.

 

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Yeah until the end of the season, when the Big 12 meets the fate that it ALWAYS meets, and it gets exposed as a weak confernece.

 

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Its funny when you get the time to do a lil research it can pay off in a big way. the fruits of my effort are below and I dont think you sacks who have been ragging the Big 12 are going to like it much

 

 

In 2003, I admit the big 12 had a down yr in the bowls going 2-6. OU lost the NC to LSU 21-14 and Texas was embarassed by Wash St 38-30.

 

But,

 

In 2002 The Big 12 went 5-2

 

OU beat Wash St

Okie St beat Southern Miss

Texas beat LSU

KSU beat Arz St

Texas Tech beat Clemson

Miss beat Neb 27-23

Wis beat Colorado 31-28

 

 

 

In 2001 the Big 12 went 4-3

 

 

OU beat Ark

Texas beat Was St

KSU beat Syracuse

A@M beat TCU

Tech lost to Iowa

Nebraska lost to Miami

Colorado lost to Oregon

 

11-11 in the last 3 yrs bowl games

 

 

Now lets look at the Big 10

 

in 2003 the Big 10 went 2-6, same as the Big 12

 

Iowa lost to Fla

Mich lost to USC

Mich St lost to Neb

Northwestern lost to Bowling Green

Purdue lost to GA

Wisconsin lost to Auburn

OSU beat KSU

Minn beat Oregon

 

 

In 2002 the Big 10 went 5-2 the same as the Big 12

 

Iowa lost to USC

Penn St lost to Auburn

Mich beat Fla

Minn beat Ark

OSU beat Miami

Purdue beat Wash

Wis beat Colo

 

 

In 2001 the Big 10 went 2-4

 

Iowa beat Texas Tech

Mich St beat Fresno St

OSU lost to S Car

Ourdue lost to Wash St

Mich lost to Tenn

Ill lost to LSU

 

Big 10 is 9-12 in its last 3 yrs bowl games

 

Over the last 3 yrs in bowl games The Big 12 is 3 games better than the Big 10

 

 

Before last yr the Big 12 had a combined bowl record of 9-5 the 2 yrs previous

 

Before last yr the Big 10 had a combined bowl record of 7-6 the 2 yrs previous

 

 

 

So save the BS about how the Big 10 is superior in bowl games the last 3 yrs, because that obviously is not the case. In fact they are 3 games worse and just as bad a year ago.

 

 

 

 

The Big 10 is weaker than the Big 12 the last 3 yrs, as I have just proved above.

 

 

 

 

game, set, match...... :D:DB)

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WRONG!

 

Big 12 has not gone 11-11 in the last 3 years.

 

2001: Alabama 14 Iowa State 13, A & M 28 TCU 9, Texas 47 Washington 43, Iowa 19 Texas Tech 16, Syracuse 26 Kansas State 3, Oklahoma 10 Arkansas 3, Oregon 38 Colorado 17, Miami 37 Nebraska 14 = 3-5, Big Ten clearly a down year at 2-4

 

2002: Big 12 went 5-3, you forgot Iowa State lost to Boise State. Big Ten went 5-2 including the national championship over Miami, the team that was supposedly unbeatable, and finished the season with 3 teams in the Top Ten.

 

2003: Iowa beat Florida 37-17 hardly a loss research boy. for a record of 3-5 compared to the 2-6 big 12. Including a win over Big 12 CHAMPION K-State in the Fiesta Bowl. Notablly, the Big 12's most impressive victory EVER over a Big Ten opponent came by the Nebraska Cornhuskers vs our 5th place team. Congrats on that.

 

Both conferences have hte same amount of wins... whats the tiebreaker? Why, head to head of course.

 

Since 1996, the Big 12 has beaten the Big Ten, TWICE in Bowls. 2000 when Nebraska killed Northwestern, and last year when Nebraska beat Michigan State. Other than that it has been Big Ten domination.

 

Not only do we beat you in bowls, but we consistantly send our lower tier teams to do it. 2002 8th place Wisconsin played the Big 12 North Champion Colorado. 1998, we sent Purdue to face you're 9 out of 10 times champion Kansas State team, and won. Iowa has made Texas Tech their b|tch twice and last year, we beat your great champion, the same team that Oklahoma didn't even deserve to share the same field with in Kansas State.

 

Big Ten wishes they had more tie ins with the Big 12, cuz we always get stuck playing strong SEC squads. We'd much rather face the weaker competition.

 

Compare the Bowl wins too, win is a win I know, but the Big Ten bowl wins have been far more impressive than Texas Tech beating a weak Clemson team, or Okie State beating up on Southern Miss in the Whatever Bowl. We have tie ins to play against real competition for our mid level teams.

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Big 10 plays the Big 12 in 11 games this yr, 1 vs 1 and down the line Big 12 would dominate.

 

OU would kill Wisconsin

Texas would destroy Michigan

Okie St would kick the snot out of Iowa

 

And we still have 2 more ranked teams that would beat the Athena out of whoever is next in line for the Big 10.

 

Its really a joke how much more dominate the Big 12 is than the Big 10 is right now. Wisconsin is undefeated yet they are behind a 1 loss team Cal, in the BCS. Both Michigan and Texas have 1 loss, but Texas loss is to #2 OU, and Texas is 6 to Michigan 9. If you really look at it, if Texas makes the same jump they did a week ago in the pts in the BCS, Texas will also jump #5 Wisconsin .7990 to .7904.

 

 

Even Herbstreit this morning said this is clearly a down yr for the Big 10 but they have a chance to make some noise if Michigan can get past Northwestern and some team above them can get knocked off, which I have my doubts about.

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Big 10 plays the Big 12 in 11 games this yr, 1 vs 1 and down the line Big 12 would dominate. 

 

OU would kill Wisconsin

Texas would destroy Michigan

Okie St would kick the snot out of Iowa

 

And we still have 2 more ranked teams that would beat the Athena out of whoever is next in line for the Big 10.

 

Its really a joke how much more dominate the Big 12 is than the Big 10 is right now.  Wisconsin is undefeated yet they are behind a 1 loss team Cal, in the BCS.  Both Michigan and Texas have 1 loss, but Texas loss is to #2 OU, and Texas is 6 to Michigan 9. If you really look at it, if Texas makes the same jump they did a week ago in the pts in the BCS, Texas will also jump #5 Wisconsin .7990 to .7904.

Even Herbstreit this morning said this is clearly a down yr for the Big 10 but they have a chance to make some noise if Michigan can get past Northwestern and some team above them can get knocked off, which I have my doubts about.

 

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Do you make these STUPID predictions every year :D

 

 

We all will find out once AGAIN how weak the big 12 is when they don't improve on a bismal performance in the bowl games from a 2-6 outing last year..............look for 1 win out of them this year B)

 

 

The Big 10 is weaker this year than in year's past.........yet would still dominate the big 12.............just as OSU destroyed the big 12 champs last year if any BIG 10 teams would meet any of your big 12 teams, i'd GAURENTEE a victory and would bet you that $1000 you already owe me on it :D

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while ou gained on USC in the BCS they lost ground to Auburn in the Coaches and AP and they will be voted behind Auburn in those polls after this week.........then...........that'll..............be...............all she wrote. :D

 

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And in the BCS, which is what matters. Auburn lost big time going from .9238 to .9097, while OU distanced itself from Auburn going from .9648 to .9664.

 

OUs lead on Auburn right now is .9664 to .9097 which according to 2 BCS experts is too great a margin to make up unless OU loses.

 

 

Besides Cher you bet me 1K I wouldnt take your bet, OU would make the NC game. I won 1K when I took the bet, and Im still waiting for you to pay up. And your stupid ass will be paying me another 1K when OU plays in the Orange Bowl.

 

 

Im done today before it even gets started. OS Who is an embarassment, Michigan isnt BCS worthy, and OU is playing USC for all the marbles. Those are 3 facts your sorry ass cant dispute, but will make an ass out of yourself trying.

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OUs lead on Auburn right now is .9664 to .9097 which according to 2 BCS experts is too great a margin to make up unless OU loses. 

Besides Cher you bet me 1K I wouldnt take your bet, OU would make the NC game. 

 

 

 

 

:D

 

 

Can you REED?? :D

 

So, is your point that Auburn won't overtake ou? B)

 

 

What a homer? Get a clue!

 

 

I've got another K, that if both teams win out Auburn goes to the NC. Now, BIG MOUTH, wanna take that bet as well...............rolling in the money :D

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:D

Can you REED?? :D

 

So, is your point that Auburn won't overtake ou? B)

What a homer?  Get a clue!

I've got another K, that if both teams win out Auburn goes to the NC.  Now, BIG MOUTH, wanna take that bet as well...............rolling in the money :D

 

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Can you spell. ignorant ass.

 

Pay me the first 1K, you already lost, when you said I wouldnt accept your bet that OU wont make the NC title game. I took the bet thus I won 1K, Im still waiting for those funds. Welcher.

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Can you spell.  ignorant ass.

 

Pay me the first 1K, you already lost, when you said I wouldnt accept your bet that OU wont make the NC title game.  I took the bet thus I won 1K, Im still waiting for those funds.  Welcher.

 

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Let me get this straight you took the bet and you want paid. Well Ou hasn't made the title game yet so how does he owe you yet ? If they don't make it you are going to pay the 1k? We'll see who the welcher is in a couple of weeks.

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Can you spell.  ignorant ass.

 

Pay me the first 1K, you already lost, when you said I wouldnt accept your bet that OU wont make the NC title game.  I took the bet thus I won 1K, Im still waiting for those funds.  Welcher.

 

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Testing.......Testing.............your sharp eye has know forced me to accept the fact "that you really are smarter than a box of rocks " :D

 

 

PAY UP................PUNK!!!

 

If you are going to WELCH on your bets, stop being such a BABY!!!

 

 

 

Like i said, i'll let you keep the G you owe me and we can make it double ???

 

 

Got any balls............puss!!

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Testing.......Testing.............your sharp eye has know forced me to accept the fact "that you really are smarter than a box of rocks " :D

PAY UP................PUNK!!!

 

If you are going to WELCH on your bets, stop being such a BABY!!!

Like i said, i'll let you keep the G you owe me and we can make it double ???

Got any balls............puss!!

 

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Show me the bet I lost, Cher. show me diickhead. You bet me I wouldnt take your bet, which I did. Thus I already won 1K. We have a bet on OU making/not making the NC game, which will be 2K you will pay me.

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Show me the bet I lost, Cher. show me diickhead.  You bet me I wouldnt take your bet, which I did.  Thus I already won 1K. We have a bet on OU making/not making the NC game, which will be 2K you will pay me.

 

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ok i'll reitterate myself, if you took the bet then if Ou doesn't make it , then you lose. Am i the only one missing something here? A bet is a bet if you take it.

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ok i'll reitterate myself, if you took the bet then if Ou doesn't make it , then you lose. Am i the only one missing something here? A bet is a bet if you take it.

 

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Hey rook, it's okay..........this guy takes medication, lies, whelches on bets and has grammar problems to boot.......and if you say "ou" he jumps :D

 

 

Don't mind him, if you want some real insight and not alot of BS, there are plenty Huddlers like myself to learn from :D

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Show me the bet I lost, Cher. show me diickhead.  You bet me I wouldnt take your bet, which I did.  Thus I already won 1K. We have a bet on OU making/not making the NC game, which will be 2K you will pay me.

 

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How can i show you, if you can't read :D

 

 

Take the post to your local elementary school and let the classroom explain it to ya' :DB)

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