Sgt. Ryan Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) OU drops from .9664 to .9621 and remains #1 in the computers which isnt going to change. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSStandings?week=5 Auburn moves from .9093 to .9350, but wont catch OU. Like I have said all along. And if you look at the BCS formula its not about who is #2 in the polls, its about points in those polls. The total pts in each poll dicatate the ranking, but because the ranking isnt as important as the total pts in each poll even if Auburn is 1 pt ahead in both polls and #2 in both polls, Auburn wont even get close to OU. Thus Auburn could be #2 in both polls and OU number 3, but the total pts in the polls are going to be so close the computers will dicatate. OU getting 1.000 in the computers to Auburns .920 is what is huge and will not change. Thus OU will be playing USC for the title. See there is precedence set already. The computers will eventually dicatate who plays for the title, and OU wont drop from the #1 spot Edited November 15, 2004 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 OU drops from .9664 to .9621 and remains #1 in the computers which isnt going to change. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSStandings?week=5 Auburn moves from .9093 to .9350, but wont catch OU. Like I have said all along. 556777[/snapback] But what about the next 2 weeks, when Auburn beats Alabama and OU pounds Baylor - isn't AL considered a stronger opponent than Baylor? And with USC idle, do they get jumped by either team? Is the remaining schedule considered in the BCS, or only the games played up to date? If both Auburn and OU go into the conference title games with OU very slightly ahead in the BCS but behind Auburn in one or both human polls, isn't it possible that because Auburn plays a tougher UGA in the SEC game (vs. a lousy Iowa St. for OU,) that Auburn can indeed jump over OU in final BCS poll? I think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickL Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) don't count your chickens before they hatch my friend. last week you were here bragging about a minimal gain by the sooners on the trojans. this week Auburn has a significant gain on OU and it will only tighten in the weeks to come with the computers getting closer and AU moving slightly ahead in both polls. One thing I don't get though is why is USC getting a free pass? I mean they did struggle with Stanford, who won't even be bowl eligible.... I had no doubt that OU would still be #2 coming into today. It is what happens the next two weeks that will now determine who. Currently too close to call.... Edited November 15, 2004 by PatrickL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 USC gets a pass becase they are the defending national champions. That's really the only reason why. It's one of those things, if you don't beat them then they stay on top. Auburn and Oklahoma still have to prove they can get it done. Auburn made a bigger impression to me, beating a Georgia team that would probably win the Big 12 this year, and certainly last year. As Sarge pointed out, last year hte Big 12 was very weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) The more i think about it, i hope ou does get i crack at USC, i would be LMFAO when it was 28-3 at the half with USC pouncing them worse than LSU did last year............prediction if Auburn got cheated out of their shot is UCS 45 ou 20. Then Auburn would pounce whomever they played and we'd split it again, all because ou was over rated ............AGAIN!!! Now even more people would love to hate them Then in a few months we could all check back in and listen to how Sarge feels ou would have beaten USC.........if......if...........and more if and how ou would have beaten anyone else in the country. Then we could all reiterate that anytime the big 12 plays anyone of stature, THEY LOSE!! It's like a merry-go-round with this clown. Edited November 15, 2004 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 ........................like you said, Auburn would not be #2 in any polls Next week........after they release the polls. Sarge :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 One thing I don't get though is why is USC getting a free pass? I mean they did struggle with Stanford, who won't even be bowl eligible.... 556922[/snapback] Stanford was the Pac10 opener, plus USC came out and did the typical big-time 2nd half dominance. Did you ever take a stats class and talk about "trends"? If that game had gone on for another 1 or 2 quarters, USC would've won by 40. And losses/close calls early are always discounted more than losses/close calls late, when the best teams should be gaining steam - as they should. And Cal and ASU are ranked, with Cal probably the best 1-loss team in the country. Finally, with USC undefeated, the writers don't want to make the same mistake as last year - it may not be fair, but its in their heads as they vote. So, given all of that stuff above, I guess I don't understand your question.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG A Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) Isn't college football about rivalries? SOS is partially a joke. To say that USC struggled against Stanford and that OU struggled against A&M or Okie St. is true, but how much of that is just rivalry? Teams get up for unbeaten foes. The polls and the computer are a joke. If college basketball went to this system, there would be a revolt in this country beyond belief. The system is failing once again. 3 deserving teams and 1 will be left out. A strong case could be made for each team. I could make the case that Utah should get a shot or Michigan. Michigan is much improved since somehow losing to ND. ND beats Mich and Ten but somehow loses to BYU. The point is, there is no substitute to playing games. But, the powers that be will avoid this at any cost and have already showed this. Throw more money at a system that somehow determines who is who without playing. There is no true NC and never will be with this system. It kills the spirit of competition. Where the Oprah is the underdog? All it has done is caused poor sportsmanship ie... running up the score and put tremendous pressure on teenage kids. Lose one game and your done in this system. Losing happens and it should not be the end of the Oprahing world. Take a lessen from every other sport (Division 1 football) you greedy Oprahing bastiges. Edited November 15, 2004 by BIG A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsters Of The Midway Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 One thing I don't get though is why is USC getting a free pass? 556922[/snapback] This is the frustrating (un)variable thing for me that I don't understand either. IMHO, OU and Auburn are clearly the #1 and #2. USC is clearly getting the "kid who was left out last year" sympathy votes. Of course, there's always going to be politics involved but, thank goodness for computers! It should be OU and Auburn fighting for the National Championship Trophy but, USC will undoubtedly mercy their way into the Orange Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG A Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) USC is clearly getting the "kid who was left out last year" sympathy votes. 557158[/snapback] That and the fact that they haven't lost in almost 2 years. You're right, they don't deserve to be #1. One side note, wasn't that USC that shut out Auburn last season in Auburn's back yard? Edited November 15, 2004 by BIG A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gWpffl Brian Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 That and the fact that they haven't lost in almost 2 years. You're right, they don't deserve to be #1. One side note, wasn't that USC that shut out Auburn last season in Auburn's back yard? 557195[/snapback] Compare Jason Campbell last year to Jason Campbell this year. It's not even close. I'm not an AU homer by any means, just stating the facts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG A Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) Compare Jason Campbell last year to Jason Campbell this year. It's not even close. I'm not an AU homer by any means, just stating the facts... 557234[/snapback] I agree. He looks like a different QB this year. I would also add that Matt Leinart started his first college game vs Auburn. They completely dominated Auburn 23-0. The USC defense held Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams and Jason Campbell to a combined 43 yards rushing. I would say that Auburn is very much improved, but to say they deserve to be in there instead of USC doesn't add up. Edited November 15, 2004 by BIG A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 In the end, USC is going to Spank (with the capital S) whomever they meet in the national championship game...so it matters not who they play. Pete Carroll's defensive planning will make certain of that. What's scary is just how good USC would have been had Mike Williams not gotten the shaft this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG A Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 In the end, USC is going to Spank (with the capital S) whomever they meet in the national championship game...so it matters not who they play. Pete Carroll's defensive planning will make certain of that. What's scary is just how good USC would have been had Mike Williams not gotten the shaft this year. 557285[/snapback] Losing Williams does hurt. That is the only chink in the armor. USC's defense does not get much credit on this message board because of the perception that they don't play anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) As for USC spanking OU, I beg to differ. I think OU is getting the shaft right now. When they beat Texas and USC skated by Stanford all I heard was OU was the best team in the country. They go on the road and win tight games to ranked teams giving up 14 pts in 2 games on special teams with a fake punt and fake FG and a muffed punt and a blocked punt and their D is all of a sudden Athenay. When they dropped the redshirt on freshman A Walker, at halftime in the A@m game, OU has given up exactly 3 pts on offense in a game and a half. All the while Auburn struggles with LSU only winning by 1 pt at home, and thats only after a BS penalty gave Auburn an extra try at the XP, after the K shanked the first one. Im sorry, but after looking at the SOS as I listed above, and seeing how GA and Tenn have been punked by other teams, most notably unranked Notre Dame who has lost to BYU and Pitt I dont feel a bit sorry for Auburn when they get left out of the NC game. That non confernce schedule and the fact the SEC is so bad this yr, doesnt prove anything about how good Auburn is. Last yr Auburn was embarassed in non confernece to USC. So this yr they play 3 patsies and think since they are undefeated in a weak conference and weak non conference they deserve to jump above the Sooners. i dont think so..... And finally based on last yrs fomrula. http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=6521 read the last question asked. OU and USC would be close as to who is #1 and Auburn would be a distant 3rd. 557414[/snapback] I think i will save this post as the dumbest most absurd i've ever read! quick question........do you have a stoopy poopy blow up doll by chance? Edited November 15, 2004 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Jason White is now the leading Heisman candidate and ESPN states he is on his way to back to back trophies. http://espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/index.html 557397[/snapback] Just a point of trivia - I believe Mr. White would be only the second guy to win two statues, right? I happen to work with the older brother of the only other guy to do this, and my co-worker's son is a top prep WR at Mission Viejo HS here in SoCal, ranked #2 or #3 in the country. He's only a Soph or Junior, but I've already talked to Dad about USC vs. Ohio State. You know, more sun, more babes, better offensive coaches. You can never start to soon to influence...hehehe.... Like I said, just trivia, but neat for me..have a good day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsters Of The Midway Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Just a point of trivia - I believe Mr. White would be only the second guy to win two statues, right? I happen to work with the older brother of the only other guy to do this, and my co-worker's son is a top prep WR at Mission Viejo HS here in SoCal, ranked #2 or #3 in the country. He's only a Soph or Junior, but I've already talked to Dad about USC vs. Ohio State. You know, more sun, more babes, better offensive coaches. You can never start to soon to influence...hehehe.... Like I said, just trivia, but neat for me..have a good day... 557470[/snapback] Ohio State sure could use Archie right about now. Seriously though, that's pretty cool that you know those people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) This about sums it up http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1923321 The Sooners are tops in five of the computer rankings and second in the other. A team's highest and lowest computer score is tossed out. USC is second by the computers and Auburn is third. The BCS computers were responsible for putting Oklahoma in the national title game last season after the Sooners lost the Big 12 title game and dropped to No. 3 in the polls. A similar situation is developing. Unless the Tigers can pull far away from Oklahoma in the polls, the computers will probably send an unbeaten Sooners team to the Orange Bowl to face an unbeaten Southern Cal, according to BCS analyst Jerry Palm. Palm said computer rankings usually don't fluctuate drastically late in the season and Oklahoma's strength of schedule advantage over Auburn probably won't change. The Tigers play at Alabama on Saturday and in the SEC title game on Dec. 4, likely against Tennessee. The Sooners face Baylor on Saturday and play in the Big 12 title game on Dec. 4 against an opponent to be determined. Palm said Auburn passing Oklahoma in the computer rankings is "not realistic.'' "Pulling even is optimistic,'' he said. With the way it stands now, Palm said, Auburn would have to be ahead in each poll by about 60 points to make up Oklahoma's advantage in the computers. The Sooners' opponents have a combined record of 55-42 and their nonconference opponents were Bowling Green, Oregon and Houston. The Tigers' nine Division I-A opponents are 43-42 and their nonconference slate included Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech and Division I-AA The Citadel. You throw in The Citadels record and its even more lopsided than this. This is the preseason schedule of a NC contender. LMMFAO, I dont think so. Tuberville thinks his team played quality opponents, but when its broken down, it aint even close. LSU, Tenn, and Ga all have 2 losses and none of them beat anyone outside the top 25 but each other, which could be the reason they are in the top 25. Tenn also lost to unranked Notre Dame. Auburn played a Div 1A team The Citadel. Sooner Nation Baby, we are going to win it in Miami again. Miami is the Sooners home away from home, just like in 2000 when OU was a 12 pt underdog to Fla St and shut them completely out. Look out USC, you got a war coming, and Stoops wont lose 2 NC games in a row. Bet on that. Edited November 16, 2004 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 As for USC spanking OU, I beg to differ. 557414[/snapback] Look out USC, you got a war coming, and Stoops wont lose 2 NC games in a row. Bet on that. 557927[/snapback] As they say in Baseball, that's why we play the games. This is all hogwash opinion at the moment, really. Stoops will definitely have his troops motivated, and that is a big consideration, but don't forget that USC has been tops in the poll the last 2 years and been denied a NC bid. I think they will also be motivated. I will be psyched to watch. I don't have a vested interest either way, except that I carry a soft spot for USC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickL Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 not so fast my friends....... Sarge basically took the quote that was OU friendly and put it up for us to read. here are a few more. i pulled out a few auburn-friendly quotes since we've already received our OU quota....I will admit to blatantly disregarding anything positive about OU's chances at playing for the title in this post. http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/in...60017394140.xml Kenneth Massey is a numbers cruncher with some potentially good news for Auburn football fans. Don't read too much into Auburn's No. 3 ranking in this week's Bowl Championship Series standings, he says, for the Tigers may be poised to make a move toward a spot in college football's national championship game. Not every BCS observer agrees, but Massey, who runs one of the six computers that help make up the BCS standings, says Auburn could jump No. 2 Oklahoma in his rankings and grab a spot in the Orange Bowl against No. 1 Southern California by winning the rest of its games. "I can only speak for (my ratings), but it looks like Auburn has a realistic, if not good chance, of overtaking Oklahoma," he said Monday. Auburn hopes Massey speaks for all computers, for it is the computers that seem to hold the key in determining who will play for the national title. Massey says Auburn could make a move on Oklahoma because the Tigers have two relatively tough games left. Auburn plays at Alabama on Saturday, then will likely play Tennessee in the SEC title game on Dec. 4. Oklahoma will play underachieving Baylor on Saturday, then likely draw a relatively weak opponent in the Big 12 championship game. Jeff Anderson, a Air Force Academy political science professor who's half of the Anderson and Hester rankings, is a bit more cautious than Massey. But he also sees a realistic chance of Auburn jumping up a spot in the computers. "I certainly think there's potential for that," said Anderson. "The team Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 Championship will be on Alabama's level, so that's a wash. It will be the question of whether Auburn can make up enough ground playing Tennessee as opposed to Oklahoma playing Baylor" this Saturday. The other two components of the BCS are also tenuous. Oklahoma and Auburn are tied in the AP poll, so they split the percentage points for that category this week. Oklahoma has a two-vote advantage in the coaches' poll, so the Sooners get a slight edge there. Peter Wolfe, a Los Angeles physician who runs football ratings on the side, says it's still too early to project a trend. "It's all interconnected," said Wolfe. "You can't say that in the way the computer rankings work that if you subtract one game that everything changes. It changes in ways that's hard to predict." But could Auburn make the jump? "It's entirely possible, sure," he said. "I think it's wide open." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 As they say in Baseball, that's why we play the games. This is all hogwash opinion at the moment, really. Stoops will definitely have his troops motivated, and that is a big consideration, but don't forget that USC has been tops in the poll the last 2 years and been denied a NC bid. I think they will also be motivated. I will be psyched to watch. I don't have a vested interest either way, except that I carry a soft spot for USC... 558073[/snapback] OU was #1 all season long a year ago until the bowl game. So 2 yr is a complete joke statement. USC at best was #1 for less than a yr thus far, and early on this yr there were questions about who should be #1 OU or USC, until USC got to their patsies on their schedule, but the polls generally dont change until #1 loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) not so fast my friends.......Sarge basically took the quote that was OU friendly and put it up for us to read. here are a few more. i pulled out a few auburn-friendly quotes since we've already received our OU quota....I will admit to blatantly disregarding anything positive about OU's chances at playing for the title in this post. http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/in...60017394140.xml Kenneth Massey is a numbers cruncher with some potentially good news for Auburn football fans. Don't read too much into Auburn's No. 3 ranking in this week's Bowl Championship Series standings, he says, for the Tigers may be poised to make a move toward a spot in college football's national championship game. Not every BCS observer agrees, but Massey, who runs one of the six computers that help make up the BCS standings, says Auburn could jump No. 2 Oklahoma in his rankings and grab a spot in the Orange Bowl against No. 1 Southern California by winning the rest of its games. "I can only speak for (my ratings), but it looks like Auburn has a realistic, if not good chance, of overtaking Oklahoma," he said Monday. Auburn hopes Massey speaks for all computers, for it is the computers that seem to hold the key in determining who will play for the national title. Massey says Auburn could make a move on Oklahoma because the Tigers have two relatively tough games left. Auburn plays at Alabama on Saturday, then will likely play Tennessee in the SEC title game on Dec. 4. Oklahoma will play underachieving Baylor on Saturday, then likely draw a relatively weak opponent in the Big 12 championship game. Jeff Anderson, a Air Force Academy political science professor who's half of the Anderson and Hester rankings, is a bit more cautious than Massey. But he also sees a realistic chance of Auburn jumping up a spot in the computers. "I certainly think there's potential for that," said Anderson. "The team Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 Championship will be on Alabama's level, so that's a wash. It will be the question of whether Auburn can make up enough ground playing Tennessee as opposed to Oklahoma playing Baylor" this Saturday. The other two components of the BCS are also tenuous. Oklahoma and Auburn are tied in the AP poll, so they split the percentage points for that category this week. Oklahoma has a two-vote advantage in the coaches' poll, so the Sooners get a slight edge there. Peter Wolfe, a Los Angeles physician who runs football ratings on the side, says it's still too early to project a trend. "It's all interconnected," said Wolfe. "You can't say that in the way the computer rankings work that if you subtract one game that everything changes. It changes in ways that's hard to predict." But could Auburn make the jump? "It's entirely possible, sure," he said. "I think it's wide open." 558111[/snapback] First off I used ESPN, not some OU support group as my resourses, unlike what you used here for your rebuttal. I didnt leave out anything positive about Auburn as you said you did about OU. Which even decreases the credability of this post. Finally the highest and lowest computer rankings are thrown out. If the only one right now OU is #2 in says Auburn could pass it for #2, that would be thrown out for both Auburn and OU, as it will be the highest for Auburn and the lowest for OU. It also says few agree with Massey, and the reason is he is clearly not taking into account his computer ranking could be thrown out for both teams. Also, there is another misleading statement here. Colorado has 2 games left and could potentially be 8-4, which would be only 1 win less than Tenn. Baylor would only have 3 loses less than Alabama. I dont think a difference of 4 loses over the body of work is going to even dent the lead OU has in SOS. especially when Miss, Miss St, La Tech, Arkansas, Kentucky, Citadel, and LA Monroe could all lose their final game as well. Those are Auburn opponents. Which in this scenerio could even add to OU's SOS even after Auburn plays the SEC title game. Too many facts left out of this article, and this computer guy thinks his ranking is the only one, when his may be the only one dropped for both teams and keeps the computers just as they are. Its not too early to tell, this is a done deal. Auburn is not going to jump OU, and thats just the way it is. Edited November 16, 2004 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiL10(s)ArEaJoKe Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Its not too early to tell, this is a done deal. Auburn is not going to jump OU, and thats just the way it is. 558151[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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