Sgt. Ryan Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 just lost ground in both the AP and Coaches poll this week, and will lose ground in the BCS as well. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1928448 OU just needs to win the Big 12 Championship to set up a meeting with the Trojans in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Barring a major collapse, it will be OU and USC I would believe, although stranger things have happened. Notre Dame has proved they can get up for the big game, but I think OU is pretty much a lock at this point. We still may see OU and Auburn, or if USC loses to Notre Dame and Auburn trips, I have no idea who they would invite. I never believe a thing about the system until the bowl bids are extended and accepted. I personally would like to see OU and USC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBalla Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Will OU pull it together if they make it? Ah...remember LSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 another interesting read. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/1121 IF Texas were to lose, Cal coud be passed in the BCS by Boise or Louisville. This BCS is turning into a joke. HOw hard would it be to have to the top 8 in the BCS standings play in the BCS bowls. screw the conferences. Backing into these bowls is not what the BCS had in mind when it formed. Personally Id like to see the top 8 teams in the country get rewarded, not some Big East, ACC, or Big 10 team with 2 loses who are not even ranked in the top 10 back into the games meant for the elite teams each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 The mere fact that Boston College will be going to an elite bowl game is enough for me to know that this system is screwed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 another interesting read. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/1121 IF Texas were to lose, Cal coud be passed in the BCS by Boise or Louisville. This BCS is turning into a joke. HOw hard would it be to have to the top 8 in the BCS standings play in the BCS bowls. screw the conferences. Backing into these bowls is not what the BCS had in mind when it formed. Personally Id like to see the top 8 teams in the country get rewarded, not some Big East, ACC, or Big 10 team with 2 loses who are not even ranked in the top 10 back into the games meant for the elite teams each year. 569475[/snapback] The fact is, Michigan will go to the Rose Bowl and probably win it, and then you'll be sitting here crying after OU gets there tails whipped by USC. Actually scratch that, you'll just be coming up with an excuse. Besides, as you so clearly pointed out, that HISTORY has shown the Big 12 to be just as if not more weak than the Big Ten, so whats the difference. I seem to remember a 2 loss Colorado team going to the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago. I also seem to remember, OU not even winning there conference, and backing into the national championship game, which was a crime. They got theres though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 (edited) Last year was a mistake by the BCS not allowing USC to face LSU, when OU didn't even win their conference, this year is a little more clouded, all three teams and IMO UTAH, deserves a shot at the title, the problem has more to do with the preseason polls, they should wait about 4 weeks into the season to set up the stupid polls, this would have allowed a team like Auburn to get a fair shake due to their pitiful preseason ranking. Even that would not eliminate any problems, per say, but it's a good start to a bad system, we all know we are not going to get a playoff. I like the idea of the AP only voting in the polls, throw out the computers, the coaches, and all the other BS floating around. The computers are a JOKE!!, who inserts the data they need?? Strength of schedule???..........JOKE!!, we all saw last year the Big 12 was ranked as the toughest conference and got blasted in the bowls. The coaches, obviously have an agenda. The AP could factor in everything we need, and be much more critical than the computers or coaches and not so bias! There are beat writers in Oklamhoma NOW, that have said they were putting Auburn #2, how much more real is that? I could really care less who get to go to the show, but if they take the wrong teams and it is lopsided while a 3rd or 4th deserving opponent is sent packing, it will be a farce once again, as the country thought last year. Edited November 22, 2004 by theeohiostate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 The mere fact that Boston College will be going to an elite bowl game is enough for me to know that this system is screwed up. 569479[/snapback] If you saw the games, you would know that BC could very well be undefeated. The game vs. Wake was very close, and Pitt was an OT loss. Neither of those teams are pushovers. BC does a nice job of grinding out wins. They are not an 'elite team' persay, but they are a very good team and should provide a very good game in whatever Bowl they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 The fact is, Michigan will go to the Rose Bowl and probably win it, and then you'll be sitting here crying after OU gets there tails whipped by USC. Actually scratch that, you'll just be coming up with an excuse. Besides, as you so clearly pointed out, that HISTORY has shown the Big 12 to be just as if not more weak than the Big Ten, so whats the difference. I seem to remember a 2 loss Colorado team going to the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago. I also seem to remember, OU not even winning there conference, and backing into the national championship game, which was a crime. They got theres though. 569504[/snapback] You think Michigan will beat Cal. This is 2004-2005, OU is going to win the National Championship and Ill be one happy camper come Jan 5. The rest is just side entertainment until the real game begins, Jan 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG A Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Michigan will be trounced by Cal in the Rose Bowl. Think of Cal as Purdue on steroids with a good defense. The NC game will be OU vs USC. It is a stupid system no matter how you slice it and dice it up. Utah, Boise St., Tex, Cal, and the rest of the top teams deserve a shot via playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 Michigan will be trounced by Cal in the Rose Bowl. Think of Cal as Purdue on steroids with a good defense. The NC game will be OU vs USC. It is a stupid system no matter how you slice it and dice it up. Utah, Boise St., Tex, Cal, and the rest of the top teams deserve a shot via playoffs. 569869[/snapback] I agree 100%. But if I say Michigan will get trounced Im hating on the Big 10. Texas, Cal, Utah, all deserve to be in the BCS. These 3 teams would win several conferences putting teams in the BCS currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Cal takes USC to the limit and all the sudden they are awesome. Michigan will beat Cal no problem, and prove California has been overrated all year long. As for sarge, you have no credibility, so why would I take anything you have to say seriously. You still think Baylor would get 4 wins in the Big Ten. Funny how you will see it all slip away, when all of the sudden, Oklahoma State gets beat, then Texas A & M gets beat, then Texas gets beat. Then you finally realize, that the Big 12 hasn't been quite as strong as you had hoped, and before you know it, USC just beat that a$$ in the NC game, and all of the fans will be screaming saying that it shoulda been Auburn, it shoulda been Auburn. You'll come on here January 5th with your normal "Well 9 times outta 10, we woulda beat USC" crap. Sarge get the excuses lined up. Make a .txt file of them, that way you can quickly and efficiiently copy and paste them to the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOB1 Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 another interesting read. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/1121 IF Texas were to lose, Cal coud be passed in the BCS by Boise or Louisville. This BCS is turning into a joke. HOw hard would it be to have to the top 8 in the BCS standings play in the BCS bowls. screw the conferences. Backing into these bowls is not what the BCS had in mind when it formed. Personally Id like to see the top 8 teams in the country get rewarded, not some Big East, ACC, or Big 10 team with 2 loses who are not even ranked in the top 10 back into the games meant for the elite teams each year. 569475[/snapback] Im not sure how u judge a conference. Is it because your conference is a joke and its easy to go undefeated, Boise St, Utah. Maybe teams with a couple losses play stiffer competition week in and week out. Or maybe like u said the sec and the bigten are down. Who knows, I personally would put the top 4teams in each conference, Bigten, sec ,Acc, against any conference, and feel we would stack up well. Theres always 2 sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Last year OU did not deserve to go to the NC game. This year, assuming they win the Big 12 championship game, they deserve to be there. They are the best team in the country right now. The Big 12 is weak this year. It has OU and Texas, after that, the rest are a bunch of average teams with the exception of Baylor, which is well below average. The SEC is the best conference top to bottom, and has been for quite a while. The Big 10 is over rated. Both OU and Auburn would beat USC. Texas would beat Cal, and give USC a real run for their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG A Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Last year OU did not deserve to go to the NC game. This year, assuming they win the Big 12 championship game, they deserve to be there. They are the best team in the country right now. The Big 12 is weak this year. It has OU and Texas, after that, the rest are a bunch of average teams with the exception of Baylor, which is well below average. The SEC is the best conference top to bottom, and has been for quite a while. The Big 10 is over rated. Both OU and Auburn would beat USC. Texas would beat Cal, and give USC a real run for their money. 569932[/snapback] I agree with your opinion on the SEC. Top to bottom, they are the best. Texas beating Cal or USC is silly imo. Tex was one horrible call away from being beat by Kansas. USC went to Auburn's back yard with a untested QB and destroyed Auburn 23-0 just last season. Brown, Caddy, and Campbell rushed for 42 yards combined. I am sure that Auburn is better this year, but USC made them look really average last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 If you saw the games, you would know that BC could very well be undefeated. The game vs. Wake was very close, and Pitt was an OT loss. Neither of those teams are pushovers. BC does a nice job of grinding out wins. They are not an 'elite team' persay, but they are a very good team and should provide a very good game in whatever Bowl they play. 569778[/snapback] Nick, I haven't seen all of their games, but have watched a few of them. I wrote a note to each of them to personally thank them for beating Notre Dame! Sure, they'll not embarrass themselves...If they are going to a New Year's bowl, I hope to see them against Wisconsin or Iowa, but I'm not sure if that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 BC may be a good team - beating ND and some others - but not a great (top 10 BCS) team. What are they ranked right now? Since the recent defections, is the Big East even in the same ballpark with the other big conferences anymore? An automatic BCS bid for a team not in the Top 10 in the polls is just a joke, and I expect them to get beaten badly by whichever top 8-10 BCS team they face. But that's just my opinion...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 BC may be a good team - beating ND and some others - but not a great (top 10 BCS) team. What are they ranked right now? Since the recent defections, is the Big East even in the same ballpark with the other big conferences anymore? An automatic BCS bid for a team not in the Top 10 in the polls is just a joke, and I expect them to get beaten badly by whichever top 8-10 BCS team they face. But that's just my opinion...... 570021[/snapback] They are ranked #17. Beating UND was big, but what has really propelled them forward was beating West Virgina a couple of weeks ago. I think they were #10 at the time, and BC was #23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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