crispirons Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 just reported on espn news. do you think he was given enough time. i liked him and thought he had did a decent job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted November 30, 2004 Author Share Posted November 30, 2004 my bad...wrong forum. let me put a spin on it then. do you think he lands a nfl job say like in cleveland or miami?? lol. big john, feel free to move to right forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 He was fired because he is black.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 He was fired because he is black.. 583570[/snapback] Wasn't he hired because he was black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Wasn't he hired because he was black? 583599[/snapback] Bunch of ***s here. He was hired because he was qualified, and their coach of choice at the time -Gruden- was busy in TB. Still, he couldn't cut it and that's too bad, but it's good that he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Surprising. I believe, Notre Dame has never fired a coach who still was under contract. I thought he should have been given more time, but I don't watch a lot of Notre Dame. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Surprising. I believe, Notre Dame has never fired a coach who still was under contract. I thought he should have been given more time, but I don't watch a lot of Notre Dame. . . 583608[/snapback] From what I understand, you are correct: Notre Dame has never fired a coach who was under contract. (According to my Dad who is an alumni) FWIW: I was at the game this past weekend, and was at Holtz's last game as an Irish coach as well. In both cases that was not part of the deal while the game was in progress but an after the fact occurance. My services are for hire: who wants their coach fired? Cost: 2 game tickets, 2 airline tickets (out of LAX) and 3 days/2nights at a 4 star hotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Bunch of ***s here. He was hired because he was qualified, and their coach of choice at the time -Gruden- was busy in TB. Still, he couldn't cut it and that's too bad, but it's good that he's gone. 583606[/snapback] Actually, he was hired because Jesse Jackson pressured Notre Dame to a hire black, any black, as head coach. ND, after the George O'Leary debacle, caved into the pressure and found a black head coach to appease the scumbag Jackson. When you kowtow to race baiters and haters like Jackson, you deserve to get these sorts of results(are you listening Democratic National Committee). Now, how long until Jackson protests this quick hook for Willingham.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 This job has Urban Meyer all over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Actually, he was hired because Jesse Jackson pressured Notre Dame to a hire black, any black, as head coach. ND, after the George O'Leary debacle, caved into the pressure and found a black head coach to appease the scumbag Jackson. When you kowtow to race baiters and haters like Jackson, you deserve to get these sorts of results(are you listening Democratic National Committee). Now, how long until Jackson protests this quick hook for Willingham.. 583628[/snapback] Everyone besides spain who believes that Jesse Jackson has ANY pull at Notre Dame raise their hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOB1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 This job has Urban Meyer all over it 583689[/snapback] I second that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I don't see any coach in the country lasting longer than a few at Notre Dame, until they become intelligent and re-visit their scheduling..........which will never happen! It is all about the money there, they just signed a new contract, so if anything they will schedule even more top 25 teams........just to get the ratings the network is paying for. I don't see any teams in the country going through a Notre Dame like schedule week after week without getting a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Actually, he was hired because Jesse Jackson pressured Notre Dame to a hire black, any black, as head coach. ND, after the George O'Leary debacle, caved into the pressure and found a black head coach to appease the scumbag Jackson. When you kowtow to race baiters and haters like Jackson, you deserve to get these sorts of results(are you listening Democratic National Committee). Now, how long until Jackson protests this quick hook for Willingham.. 583628[/snapback] That's some of the stinkiest bait ever thrown down. And given how ignorant you have been proven in the past, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about: Willingham was on the short list before they hired O'leary, and was the clear cut best choice after the resume debale: I'm sure you remember that spain, since it was about making *** up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Willingham may have already had the Washington job before he was gone at Notre Dame. 583733[/snapback] Give him a few years there and i'd guarentee a great result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I don't see any coach in the country lasting longer than a few at Notre Dame, until they become intelligent and re-visit their scheduling..........which will never happen! It is all about the money there, they just signed a new contract, so if anything they will schedule even more top 25 teams........just to get the ratings the network is paying for. I don't see any teams in the country going through a Notre Dame like schedule week after week without getting a loss. 583731[/snapback] That is so true, their schedule is death. When the Miami's consistently keep puffs like Florida A&I PolyTech year after year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Jenkins Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Surprising. I believe, Notre Dame has never fired a coach who still was under contract. I thought he should have been given more time, but I don't watch a lot of Notre Dame. . . 583608[/snapback] Didn't they just fire Bob Davie after extending his contract? There is always a short hook at ND - the third year has historically been the turning point - either ND wins the national championship in the 3rd year (happened numerous times, the last example being Holtz) or the coach was out shortly thereafter - think Faust, Davie and now Willingham). I watch a LOT of ND Football (read - all of it) and Willingham's teams the last two years were poorly coached and ill-prepared most of the time. The talent is there this year (wins against Michigan and at Tennessee), but you never knew which team was going to show up. There was no sign that it was going to get any better either. I'm glad they juiced him - a lot of ND fans have a reason to get excited about next year now. And trust me, at ND it's not a black thing or a white thing - if you keep the football team in contention for the national championship year in and year out you can be green with purple polka-dots and no one will give a rats a$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 And trust me, at ND it's not a black thing or a white thing - if you keep the football team in contention for the national championship year in and year out you can be green with purple polka-dots and no one will give a rats a$$. 583819[/snapback] Maybe they should try the green w/ purple polka-dots route since the others haven't been working since the late 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Actually, he was hired because Jesse Jackson pressured Notre Dame to a hire black, any black, as head coach. ND, after the George O'Leary debacle, caved into the pressure and found a black head coach to appease the scumbag Jackson. When you kowtow to race baiters and haters like Jackson, you deserve to get these sorts of results(are you listening Democratic National Committee). Now, how long until Jackson protests this quick hook for Willingham.. 583628[/snapback] Here's hoping this was a jest ... wow. Although, Jesse can certainly stay out of such things if it were up to me ... Willingham is a solid coach. Notre Dame's mystique is simply gone -- the national presence of 100 Division I programs has greatly reduced their recruiting power. Without the historic access to top talent, the expectations of history need to change. Willingham will be successful elsewhere long before Notre Dame is successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 The talent is there this year 583819[/snapback] Who would that be? Oklahoma has a couple Heisman hopefuls ... Miami cranks out NFL draft picks ... Heck, Marshall and Miami of Ohio have big name talent coming out ... Notre Dame has? Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 That's some of the stinkiest bait ever thrown down. And given how ignorant you have been proven in the past, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about: Willingham was on the short list before they hired O'leary, and was the clear cut best choice after the resume debale: I'm sure you remember that spain, since it was about making *** up.... 583735[/snapback] So, you are saying that Jesse Jackson did not pressure Notre Dame to hire a black coach when they hired Tryone Willingham? If so, then you are the ignorant one. Jackson interjected himself into the last ND coaching hire bigtime. I am not saying Willingham isnt a good coach. But make no mistake, Jesse and his band of thugs were deep in the middle of Tyrone getting the ND job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 So, you are saying that Jesse Jackson did not pressure Notre Dame to hire a black coach when they hired Tryone Willingham? If so, then you are the ignorant one. Jackson interjected himself into the last ND coaching hire bigtime. I am not saying Willingham isnt a good coach. But make no mistake, Jesse and his band of thugs were deep in the middle of Tyrone getting the ND job... 584061[/snapback] You said ND hired Willingham due to presure from Jesse Jackson. I call BS: just because he held a press conference or two in Chicago doesn't add up to pressure, especially when Willingham was already on the inital short list, and was left on top after O'Leary due to availability. Do you give Jackson credit for eveything he claims? If so, you're dumber than I thought.....just because he called it a 'victory' doesn't make it his. If that were the case he'd be a very accomplished individual instead of an opportunistic jackass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 You said ND hired Willingham due to presure from Jesse Jackson. I call BS: just because he held a press conference or two in Chicago doesn't add up to pressure, especially when Willingham was already on the inital short list, and was left on top after O'Leary due to availability. Do you give Jackson credit for eveything he claims? If so, you're dumber than I thought.....just because he called it a 'victory' doesn't make it his. If that were the case he'd be a very accomplished individual instead of an opportunistic jackass. 584087[/snapback] You are very niave if you believe that pressure from racial groups, even as corrupt as Jesse Jacksons, doesnt influence American Institutions including ND. After the O'Leary firing, Willingham was the only person that ND could hire after the incredible stink that Jesse Jackson had made. You just arent being honest with yourself if you dont think that his pressure and influence had nothing whatsoever to do with this hire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 (edited) You are very niave if you believe that pressure from racial groups, even as corrupt as Jesse Jacksons, doesnt influence American Institutions including ND. After the O'Leary firing, Willingham was the only person that ND could hire after the incredible stink that Jesse Jackson had made. You just arent being honest with yourself if you dont think that his pressure and influence had nothing whatsoever to do with this hire... 584156[/snapback] No spain, anyone who believes you is naive: your assertion above, and the other statements you are making 'He was fired because he was black' in all threads about this demonstrate the (low) level of credibility you possess regarding this subject. He got fired because the losses on his record are in fact record setting at ND: 3 losses to USC by 90+ points total, and more 30 point losses than almost all of their coaches in their history combined (nearly 120 years). It was not because he was black, like you are running around saying. The fact is, you weren't paying attention then: my Dad is an alumni and wanted Willingham over O'Leary before the resume-gate broke out. You live in Tennessee, hate yankees and your trolling abilities are well known here. Furthermore, your double standards need not apply: you biatch when liberals don't give credit to minorities, yet here is a guy who clearly pulled himself up and got where he got legitimately and you want to give credit to Jesse Jackson. PATHETIC HYPOCRISY. The fact of the matter is: Ty was well in the running against O'Leary and became the obvious choice after the crap went down. Did you know the Jese Jackson is one of the biggest supporters of building code enforecment in the country? At least he was after all those people died in the Chicago night club almost 2 years ago. But hey. you should give him credit for that too, or it's more of Attack of Spain's Double Standards, but at least He Has Standards. Edited December 1, 2004 by Pope Flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 PopeFlick: I dont know you, but you are not getting it. If you cant tell my "he was fired because he was black" posts are meant sarcastically, then I dont think there is much I can do to clue you in. I have noticed that you have a very negative personal tone with me which may indicate that I get under your skin. But instead of ignoring me, you can help but respond with your name calling posts. You practically jump in the boat everytime bait is thrown in the water. And you seem to take everything so personally that it makes me wonder about you being wound up a little too tight. As far as credibility, you might want to ask around here as to who has more or less of it. You might be surprised... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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