Kansas State 2000 Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,132...8127_56,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 And that matters .... because ... ???? The most popular team (the one that gets the most votes) wins either way ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Well, margin of victory is one of those factors that can be looked at several ways: - if Nebraska SHOULD blow out the Blind Sisters of the Poor by 6 tds easy, yet merely squeaks by in a nailbiter, shouldn't they be punished? Probably. - if FSU beats the crap out of the BSotP next weekend for 3 quarters and starts pulling alums out of the stands to mop up, leading to a few late "oh by the way" scores and thus lessening what would have been a huge margin of victory, should they be punished? Not really. - If Miami leaves it's starting unit in for 4 quarters vs the BSotP (they have one tough schedule this year) to defeat them 1,000,000 to -2, is that really desirable in 'amateur' athletics? Definitely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 Dr. BratDaddy 2000:And that matters .... because ... ???? The most popular team (the one that gets the most votes) wins either way ... yawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Kansas State 2000: Dr. BratDaddy 2000:And that matters .... because ... ???? The most popular team (the one that gets the most votes) wins either way ... yawn Make all the faces you want ... but it's the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 Dr. BratDaddy 2000:Make all the faces you want ... but it's the truth. eek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Kansas State 2000: Dr. BratDaddy 2000:Make all the faces you want ... but it's the truth. eek! LOL ... again that doesn't change the truth of the statement that the most popular team in the NCAA is awarded the national championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 Dr. BratDaddy 2000:LOL ... again that doesn't change the truth of the statement that the most popular team in the NCAA is awarded the national championship. loco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 I must say KSU 2000 this is the most articulate argument I have seen you put forth here at the Huddle ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 5, 2002 Author Share Posted June 5, 2002 Master Wijssegger:I must say KSU 2000 this is the most articulate argument I have seen you put forth here at the Huddle ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Dr. BratDaddy 2000:LOL ... again that doesn't change the truth of the statement that the most popular team in the NCAA is awarded the national championship. LOL yourself. Last time I noticed, teams still had to win their games to have a chance to play in the big game. 2 loses means you are out of contention, regardless of how popular your team is. Or do you disagree? Perhaps a closet BYU fan? As far as MoV being taken out, I heartily approve. I'm tired of watching teams like Nebraska schedule non-con cupcakes and then pounding them 73-0 to get an edge in the standings. I would like to see Strength of Schedule weighted higher. Teams that have the sack to play tough programs in order to strengthen their team (and thus take a much higher risk of a loss) should be rewarded. It sure works in college basketball, and you see some fabulous games in the beginning of the year because of it. I'd rather see a team that has 2-3 losses playing for the national championship if they had the guts to schedule 2 or 3 top 25 programs in their non-con schedule rather than seeing teams with pretty W-L records that play 1-2 really tough games all year (read ACC & Big East schools, and to some extent Big 12 schools, though that is lessening as the conference gets tougher). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 And as far as that goes, a tournament to figure out who is the national champ would go a very long ways in improving non-con games also. Then teams would know that they could lose 3 games & still make the tournament, meaning that some programs would schedule some beauts for September in order to harden themselves for December. I wouldn't expect coaches like Bobby Bowden, etc to change, but some would, and would get rewarded for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Bronco Billy:LOL yourself. Last time I noticed, teams still had to win their games to have a chance to play in the big game. 2 loses means you are out of contention, regardless of how popular your team is. Or do you disagree? Perhaps a closet BYU fan?. Not a BYU fan. So have a schedule like Miami did last year were you play middle of the road teams all year and when you win the popularity contest your in ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Are you saying that Miami wasn't the best team in the country last year? I would disagree. They proved themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Bronco Billy:Are you saying that Miami wasn't the best team in the country last year? I would disagree. They proved themselves. And just how did they prove themselves? By getting the most votes? By playing a team that had just lost even a chance to win their conference by a double digit margin? By going undefeated against a bunch of middle of the road teams? Or by getting the most popularity votes (yeah that would be the one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Date Opponent Result 1-Sep at Penn State W 33-7 8-Sep Rutgers W 61-0 27-Sep at Pittsburgh W 43-21 6-Oct Troy State W 38-7 13-Oct at No. 13 Florida State W 49-27 25-Oct West Virginia W 45-3 3-Nov Temple W 38-0 10-Nov at Boston College W 18-7 17-Nov No. 13 Syracuse W 59-0 24-Nov No. 12 Washington W 65-7 1-Dec at No. 13 Virginia Tech W 26-24 3-Jan vs No. 4 Nebraska W 37-14 If you'll notice, Miami played 5 ranked teams, and with the exception of the close game at VT, they kicked all of their asses badly. What else did they have to prove? I agree that Nebraska shouldn't have been there against them for the national championship, but that doesn't diminish what Miami accomplished last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Where were the teams ranked when Miami played them and how many top 5 teams did Miami play? How many top 10 teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 5, 2002 Author Share Posted June 5, 2002 Master Wijssegger:Where were the teams ranked when Miami played them and how many top 5 teams did Miami play? How many top 10 teams? Well then answer the question yourself.If not Miami, whom? How many top 5’s and 10’s did that team play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Is this the team that you think should have been national champs? OREGON DUCKS Date Opponent Result 1-Sep No. 23 Wisconsin W 31-28 8-Sep Utah W 24-10 22-Sep USC W 24-22 29-Sep at Utah State W 38-21 6-Oct at Arizona W 63-28 13-Oct at California W 48-7 20-Oct Stanford L 49-42 27-Oct at No. 15 Washington State W 24-17 3-Nov Arizona State W 42-24 10-Nov at No. 16 UCLA W 21-20 1-Dec Oregon State W 17-14 1-Jan vs No. 3 Colorado W 38-16 Note the 1 loss, the fewer ranked teams on the schedule, and that they had a rougher time with ranked teams than Mimai did. Did you have another team in mind that should have been national champs? & who cares where they were ranked when Miami played them? What bearing does that have? Are you saying that midseason ranking is more important than end of the season ranking, when people can evaluate a team based on its entire season? Tell us, who deserved to be national champs if it wasn't Miami? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Kansas State 2000: Master Wijssegger:Where were the teams ranked when Miami played them and how many top 5 teams did Miami play? How many top 10 teams? Well then answer the question yourself.If not Miami, whom? How many top 5’s and 10’s did that team play?I did that research at one time and attempted to use the search to find it ... but the search seems to be broken ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Bronco Billy:Is this the team that you think should have been national champs? OREGON DUCKS Date Opponent Result 1-Sep No. 23 Wisconsin W 31-28 8-Sep Utah W 24-10 22-Sep USC W 24-22 29-Sep at Utah State W 38-21 6-Oct at Arizona W 63-28 13-Oct at California W 48-7 20-Oct Stanford L 49-42 27-Oct at No. 15 Washington State W 24-17 3-Nov Arizona State W 42-24 10-Nov at No. 16 UCLA W 21-20 1-Dec Oregon State W 17-14 1-Jan vs No. 3 Colorado W 38-16 Note the 1 loss, the fewer ranked teams on the schedule, and that they had a rougher time with ranked teams than Mimai did. Did you have another team in mind that should have been national champs? & who cares where they were ranked when Miami played them? What bearing does that have? Are you saying that midseason ranking is more important than end of the season ranking, when people can evaluate a team based on its entire season? Tell us, who deserved to be national champs if it wasn't Miami? A. I don't know who the champ should have been ... but it should simply be the team that is the most popular. B. If the opponent and their ranking doesn't matter why should teams schedule powder puff opponents so they can be "undefeated"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Christ, name the team you think was best & I'll find their schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted June 5, 2002 Author Share Posted June 5, 2002 FINAL ranking is WHAT??? matters, not ranking when you play them. Two years ago OU was not even ranked, they won the NC and went undefeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Bronco Billy:Christ, name the team you think was best & I'll find their schedule. That's the whole point ... we don't know who the best team was ... we only know who the most popular team was. Until there is a playoff in NCAA division I football we will never know who the true champion is each year. I certainly think Oregon had more right to play in the national championship than Nebraska did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Master Wijssegger:That's the whole point ... we don't know who the best team was ... we only know who the most popular team was. Until there is a playoff in NCAA division I football we will never know who the true champion is each year. Okay, we can all bemoan the point that college FB doesn't have a national championship tournament. In fact, I'll put up a great fight on several fronts to have one. However, that isn't the system we have in place right now - so you are simply indulging in fantasy. I put it to you again. I feel that Miami was clearly the best team in college football last year, whether they were popular or not. Can you offer up a team that was better than them? If not, then I would say that Miami deserved to be crowned NCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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