Grits and Shins Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 The ACC voted to expand their conference from 9 teams to 12 teams to increase their BCS status. In addition it would generate more revenues for the ACC. Teams under consideration are Miami and 2 of Syracuse, BC and Virginia Tech. It certainly strengthens the ACC in terms of football (Miami alone does that) and possibly even in basketball ... but it will decimate the Big East in BOTH football and basketball. IMO the Big East will go the way of the old SWC. Personally I favor the larger conferences primarily because I like the idea of a conference championship. If you are one of the schools left out though it's got to suck. <New and improved posting> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Grits and Shins: <New and improved posting> lol lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 The Big East is looking at Penn State and Notre Dame as possible replacments if Miami leaves. eek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 no one: The Big East is looking at Penn State and Notre Dame as possible replacments if Miami leaves. eek! I'm not sure if Penn State is looking to leave the Big Ten. Notre Dame is already in the Big East in all sports except football (where it is an independent). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 Grits and ShinsTeams under consideration are Miami and 2 of Syracuse, BC and Virginia Tech...it will decimate the Big East in BOTH football and basketball. IMO the Big East will go the way of the old SWC. Aside from losing 'Cuse, I don't see it hurting the Big East too badly on the basketball front - VaTech hasn't done anything in recent memory in hoops, and both Miami and BC tend to be up-and-down. It certainly would end the Big East's resemblance to a major football conference, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted May 30, 2003 Author Share Posted May 30, 2003 Heard on ESPN radio this morning that the Big East is offering Miami $9 million per year to stay. Not because they really want to keep Miami but they don't want to lose Syracuse or Boston College and if Miami stays nobody goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 Grits and Shins: Heard on ESPN radio this morning that the Big East is offering Miami $9 million per year to stay. Not because they really want to keep Miami but they don't want to lose Syracuse or Boston College and if Miami stays nobody goes. Thats somewhat of a contridiction - If Miami is the school holding everything together - than obviously the Big East wants to KEEP Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted May 30, 2003 Author Share Posted May 30, 2003 The Big East wants to keep the conference together because of basketball NOT because of football. They'd be willing to lost Miami if it was ONLY Miami ... but they want to keep Syracuse and Boston College for their basketball programs. While I am sure they do want to keep all schools they could live with losing only Miami. But the bottom line is that Miami is the deal maker / breaker. Syracuse and Boston College will do as Miami does. So despite the fact that the Big East is willing to give up Miami they are in a position of having to pay Miami to stay to preserve the rest of the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 Grits and Shins: ... the Big East is offering Miami $9 million per year to stay. coach WHAT??? the ***** are they thinking? 9 Million? LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 justin: If Miami is the school holding everything together - than obviously the Big East wants to KEEP Miami. If the do not keep Miami they will be a joke during football season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Five Big East schools have filed a lawsuit against Miami and BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Cracker Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 When your strongest arguement is that these teams "lied" I think you are treading on pretty weak footing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 8, 2003 Author Share Posted June 8, 2003 Atlanta Cracker: When your strongest arguement is that these teams "lied" I think you are treading on pretty weak footing... Yup ... show me a legally binding contract requiring teams to stay in the Big East then I'll back 'em all the way ... now all they are doing is whining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 It's all just a matter of time now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 lol It started out with Syracuse, Boston College and Miami as the targeted schools ... Miami and two other schools chosen by them. This would make it a 12 team conference the minimum configuration for a playoff (more money). Then there was a lawsuit. Virginia Tech was one of the plantiffs of said lawsuit. Now: the ACC makes there offers to Miami and Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech withdraws from the lawsuit and says they are on board with the ACC. Miami says hold on a minute this is not the original deal. For one it's only 11 teams, not enough for a conference championship game and no teams from the NE (where Miami's fans are). What a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Grits and Shins: What a mess. And only getting worse. thumbs_d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 As an ACC guy, this whole thing really pisses me off. This has been a trainwreck from the very beginning. Now it looks like the ACC will end up with 1 additional school, a school they were'nt even interested in at the beginning: Va. Tech. I can safely say that no ACC fans wanted Va. Tech in the conference. I have yet to speak to a fan who was really interested in expansion at all. All because the Virginia govenor basically threated the president of UVA that if he diodn't vote "NAY" on any proposal that didn'nt include Va. Tech, then UVA might find itself having trouble getting funding in the years to come. What kind of s**t is that? IF IT 'AINT BROKE, DON"T FIX IT!!! doah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Grits and Shins:It certainly strengthens the ACC in terms of football (Miami alone does that) and possibly even in basketball ... but it will decimate the Big East in BOTH football and basketball. IMO the Big East will go the way of the old SWC. It certainly strengthens the ACC in football and could very well decimate the football schools,but it in no way weakens the conference in basketball. Miami and VT over the last ten years have been two of the worst basketball schools in the conference. If the Big East is forced to expand to survive now,and adds UC and Louisville in the process,it significantly STRENGTHENS them in basketball,although not in football. It's time for the BCS to go.It was intended to make sure we have a true college champion;instead it has only made the rich richer. If you do not belong to one of the five(assuming the BE loses it's BCS status)BCS conferences,you will never ever have a BCS bowl game,or a financially rewarding bowl game(with the exclusion of Notre Dame). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Sox: It's time for the BCS to go. thumbs_u thumbs_u thumbs_u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 coach Come on college football playoffs. thumbs_u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 Sox: Miami and VT over the last ten years have been two of the worst basketball schools in the conference. Virginia Tech has only played Big East basketball for 3 years. (But, yes they've been at the bottom of the standings) Miami has only had 3 losing seasons in the last 10 and has made the tournament 4 of them, including an elite 8 and sweet 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 They had a good four year run.That's positive of the program,but you can't discount the other seasons. You left out the first year they joined the Big East. Their conference record over the 11 years they have been a member is 95-113. It could get even worse with next season if they defect as it looks like they will.Many teams are on the way up,as evidenced by BE having four teams in the sweet sixteen.And all will be out to beat them as they leave. It won't hurt the Big East in basketball at all if they leave,and if Louisville and UC are added,the BE gets even stronger. Although some teams are only going to play once a year in the new conference,I'm sure they are hoping to schedule Duke,NC State,NC,and Maryland twice a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no one Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Miami is gone. http://cbs.sportsline.com/general/story/6457624 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Grits and Shins: Sox: It's time for the BCS to go. thumbs_u thumbs_u thumbs_u There is no better format that I have heard of. Can you think of one?An 8 team playoff would be worse than the current BCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 no one: Miami is gone. It was all just a matter of time.Can't wait to see the new divisions in the ACC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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