Sgt. Ryan Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 My top 5 as we speak and this is not a homer decision, obviously, close to every writer in the country agrees OU is #1. 1. Oklahoma - Get White back who is a better QB than anyone they have had in the last decade, Heupal included. Love Q, but Jones is a more explosive and powerful back. Losing Trent smith will hurt alot, but this defense is hungry. They were embarassed twice last yr and want to shut out every opponent and have the chemistry and studs to get close. 2. Texas - Chrissy Sims was the reason OU beat UT the last 3 yrs. That and along with Mack Brown playing it safe every yr. This yr I think Mack opens things up and says Im laying it all on the line for this game. This is Texas NC until/if they reach it on their own. Texas has the best WR trio in the country and the best WR in Roy Williams. He has been hurt the last 2 yrs vs OU and Texas stalled as a result each time. Im not sure a new QB can step onto the field and beat OU, but Texas has to win sometime, doesnt it.. man that is painful as I hate UT, living in Big D. 3. Va Tech - has 2 stud Qbs, one of the best, if not the best RB in college football in Soph Jones. An experienced D with a great coach and a cush schedule outside of Miami in Blacksburg this yr. This team has all the makings of a undefeated NC. 4. Kansas St - No im not a Big 12 lover, I just see this team is a lil better than Michigan, Ohio St, or Auburn others want to put ahead of them. They have a brutal road after their 3 - Div AA games every yr. But if they survive they have the offense to score on anybody, The Defense has holes at LB and CB after losing Newman and Pierce to the NFL. 5. Miami - I know this is a trendy pick, but if Brock can beat Va Tech then they should stroll through the big East and beat Fla St rather easily. Pitt will also give them a hell of a game. I dont think they could beat one of the teams listed above in the NC if they even get past Va Tech in the reg season, but I cant see Ohio St winning more than 8 games with or without Thug boy, and Michigan is strong and would be my #6 team, but they have a much more difficult schedule imo and would be hard pressed to end the yr in the top 2. Honorable Mention - 6. Michigan 7. Georgia 8. Ohio St 9. Auburn 10. Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 If OU, TU & KSU were in other conferences they would win those conferences and be playing each other in the BCS games this year. But Texas has to play Oklahoma & Kansas State this year ... OUCH! The National championship will be decided in Kansas City on December 7th as Oklahoma and Kansas State play for the Big 12 Championship. It's nice to see a top 5 minus Auburn. thumbs_u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSooner Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Wow. Sgt., I can't argue with your #1, but to say the White is better the Josh and Jones is better the Q is, well, nuts. White has little game experience and Q is one of the top 10 backs in OU history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canes26 Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 K State is overrated as well as Pitt. I see Oklahoma playing the winner of the Tech/Miami game in the NC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aqualung Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 Canes26: K State is overrated as well as Pitt. I see Oklahoma playing the winner of the Tech/Miami game in the NC. There's where you're wrong Miami is the team that is overrated this year. Pitt will take them down at home this year as well as Virginia Tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted August 25, 2003 Author Share Posted August 25, 2003 McSooner: Wow. Sgt., I can't argue with your #1, but to say the White is better the Josh and Jones is better the Q is, well, nuts. White has little game experience and Q is one of the top 10 backs in OU history. First Off, I was the first diehard Sooner fan on this site 2 yrs before the NC season. I suffered humiliation from Brees and Bronco Billy for 2 yrs before the glory of 2000. So im not throwing shock value out there about my boys. I understand your reply, and I love Heupel. But lets get some things out on the table. Josh was not a strong armed QB, he could rarely get 1st downs with his feet, and became a dump over the middle shuffle pass QB even with a pass first OC calling the plays. Josh occasional Heave down the field was more the WR making a play on the ball and less Josh leadint the WR down the field on the go route that you will see alot of this yr from White. Todays Sooner offense is more balanced thus Q stunning numbers last yr. But alot of Qs success was hiding behind lineman until he got in the open field. Jones is a much faster back that can score from anywhere on the field and wont get dragged down from behind like Q. I didnt say Jones was better than Q, but I dont think the drop off will be as great as some consider. I stand behind the positives White brings to this offense and believe he will lead the Sooners to another title in 03-04 wihtout Q, Trent smith or the other weapons at Josh disposal. Either way, Im not going to argue with a fellow Sooner fan. In the end we will be celebrating together in early Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSooner Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 Well, we'll have to disagree on Josh, because I believe his head more than made up for his arm strength. You may not have heard, but Stoops made Renaldo Works the starter late last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canes26 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Miami is never overrated. We put out NFL prospects. We produce every year (unless we're on probation:). We're not like those bums FSU and UF who go up and down talent wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canes26 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Another thing. Who does Pitt have besides Fitzgerald. The Williams freshmen from USC put up better numbers than Fitzgerald. He's good, but he can't beat Miami by himself. Big deal Pitt returns how many ever starters on offense. They didn't do crap when playing quality opponents last year(tech was slumping when they beat em). KSU has a weak schedule the first half then crumbles against teams with a good def. Time will tell fellas. I'm a huge Canes fan, but I hate to say OK will take the title this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canes26 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I know you've gotta be a Pitt fanboy lung cuz of your best rivalry picks. Keep holding onto the Marino memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aqualung Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Canes26: I know you've gotta be a Pitt fanboy lung cuz of your best rivalry picks. Keep holding onto the Marino memories. Nah, not the Marino era, I'm from the Dorsett era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canes26 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 cool_thu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazed and Confused Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Sgt. Ryan, You must be HIGH! Can you sell me some of that gunge? 3 of top 5 from the Big 12? SURE, your not a Big 12 fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSooner Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Dazed and confused, you must truly be. Are the coaches dazed and confused? ESPN/USAToday 1. OU 2. OSU 3. Miami 4. TEXAS, OUR TEXAS, OH HAIL THE MIGHTY STATE, TEXAS OUR TEXAS, SO WONDERFUL AND GREAT... 5. Kansas State Or maybe the writers are dazed and confused. AP 1. OU 5. TEXAS, OUR TEXAS, OH HAIL THE MIGHTY STATE, TEXAS OUR TEXAS, SO WONDERFUL AND GREAT... 7. Kansas State Oops. You're right. Missed that one by 2 spots. wink wink wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyleaguecommish Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Wow, pre-season rankings. I'll go make my wagers now. It's a lock. wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazed and Confused Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 McSooner, EVERY year the preseason polls TREMENDOUSLY OVERRATE the Big 12, and EVERY year that prediction goes to **** in no time. In the past 4 years (I couldn't find earlier polls; besides prior to that only Nebraska is worth mentioning, enough said) no more than ONE Big 12 team cracked the top 5 at the end of the season. The Big East and Pac-10 had exactly the same number, Big-10 and SEC had 1 less. Yet, every year the same laughable scenario gets painted. I'm not against the Big-12, it just gets exausting. I mean. I would really like people to vote with their minds and not out of habit. Keep smoking the crack McSooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Dazed and Confused: ... no more than ONE Big 12 team cracked the top 5 at the end of the season. Maybe not top 5 but ...Last year, as an example, the Big 12 had 3 teams in the top 7 in the final poll. Look at the losses of the top teams in the Big 12 (KSU, OU, TU), very few are by teams out of conference. BTW, Interesting fact: The former Big 8 is the only conference in NCAA history to have 4 teams finish with 10 wins or better in a season. (NU 12-0, KSU 10-2, CU 10-2, KU 10-2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickL Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 here's what i think about the top 10 and the way it'll look at the end of the regular season 1. Auburn 2. Oklahoma 3. Virginia Tech 4. Michigan 5. Miami 6. Texas 7. USC 8. Kansas State 9. LSU 10. N.C. State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazed and Confused Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Kansas State 2000, Yea..... #5,#6, and #7. VERY impressive (ha-ha-ha!) 2002: Non-conference record: Big Ten, 38-15, .717 SEC, 40-16, .714 Big XII, 41-18, .695 Pac-10, 32-15, .680 Big East, 30-16, .652 ACC, 30-17, .638 MAC, 23-34, .404 MWC, 18-27, .400 C-USA, 17-28, .378 WAC, 16-28, .363 Sun Belt, 11-32, .256 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas State 2000 Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Dazed and Confused: 2002: Non-conference record: Big XII, 41-18, .695 Now check it for only the top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazed and Confused Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Correction Kansas 2002: Non-conference record: Big Ten, 38-15, .717 SEC, 40-16, .714 Big XII, 41-18, .695 not 2002: Non-conference record: Big XII, 41-18, .695 Now, do your OWN research. Your speaking without knowing the facts....guessing (more like hoping) or you would quote them....Typical of the uninformed. Besides, we can slice and dice statistics a million ways. Calculate the top 2,3,4 ??? Most wins by a team in games over 85 degrees, etc. So far you lost EVERY argument for your cause. I can make a lame argument for the WAC to be the best conference. And "if" you do your homework.... list the non-conference records of the top 3 in all the other conferences. I'm sure you will be very disappointed... don't WASTE your time. The only stat that counts, Kansas, is the following. 2002 FINAL rankings: #1 OHIO STATE - BIG 10 #2 MIAMI - BIG EAST #3 GEORGIA - SEC #4 USC - PAC 10 EVERY major conference except the ACC has a team finishing above your best! Congratulations on second to last, Kansas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted September 6, 2003 Author Share Posted September 6, 2003 Shut the F*ck up Dazed. The best conference in the country is the Big 12. The teams ahead of OU last yr didnt have to play OU. OU would have beaten any of those teams. But thats last yr, this is this yr. Big 10 has Michigan and thats it. OS who, get real they sux ass. 16-13 to Sd St at home, how embarassing SEC is strong with Fla, Ga and Tenn, but none of those teams rank with the top 3 of the Big 12 ACC has USC and possibly Oregon, but the top 3 in the Big 12 beats both of these handily. IF TEXAS, OUR TEXAS, OH HAIL THE MIGHTY STATE, TEXAS OUR TEXAS, SO WONDERFUL AND GREAT..., OU, and KSU were in the Big 10, SEC and the ACC, all 3 win the conference. Its a shame they have to beat up on each other and only 1 can play for a title when 2 of these 3 are the best in college football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted September 6, 2003 Author Share Posted September 6, 2003 PatrickL: here's what i think about the top 10 and the way it'll look at the end of the regular season 1. Auburn 2. Oklahoma 3. Virginia Tech 4. Michigan 5. Miami 6. Texas 7. USC 8. Kansas State 9. LSU 10. N.C. State Auburn and NC state both get smacked around in the first 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgfood Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 AUBURN??? You have to be kidding...a team the got spanked by one of the worst teams in the ACC??? You guys say the SEC has weak teams? How would you like to play Florida, Tenn, Georgia , Alabama, Auburn, LSU...etc every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Sgt. Ryan: Shut the F*ck up Dazed. The best conference in the country is the Big 12. IF TEXAS, OUR TEXAS, OH HAIL THE MIGHTY STATE, TEXAS OUR TEXAS, SO WONDERFUL AND GREAT..., OU, and KSU were in the Big 10, SEC and the ACC, all 3 win the conference. Its a shame they have to beat up on each other and only 1 can play for a title when 2 of these 3 are the best in college football. Yeah dazed, everyone knows the little private's opinion is FACT! shrug Private Parts ryan, glad to see you're back analyzing college football in a totally unbiased manner. jester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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